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thank you

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hey guys a very happy holiday season

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from Ryan Sprague here at somewhere in

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the skies and we have got an awesome

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awesome live stream for you tonight uh

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holiday themed clearly New Year's themed

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everything in between we are going to be

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breaking down the top UFO stories of

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2022. it has been a hell of a year a lot

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has happened a lot has not happened

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which I'm sure are amazing panelists

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will discuss with us tonight as well but

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yeah this is going to be fun this is

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going to be your One-Stop shop at the

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end of the year to kind of remember what

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has happened and and it was a lot and

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what to look forward to in 2023

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um so without further Ado let's bring in

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our panelists for tonight first and

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foremost we have my co-pilot here at

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somewhere in the skies you know her from

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rebelliously Curious and the debrief we

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have got Chrissy Newton Chrissy

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what's going on good a little under the

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weather but feeling the Christmas of the

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holiday spirit I should say we're

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matching Ryan I love it I know I know

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physically I'm wearing the reindeer

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exactly good to see you I love it well

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hey we'll go easy on you tonight

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um I know it's that time of the year

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people are getting sick so if anyone out

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there is not feeling too well we're

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wishing you the best but hopefully we'll

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keep you distracted for a few hours here

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tonight Christy let's bring in our next

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guest we have from that UFO podcast one

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of my good buddies and colleagues doing

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some of the best work out there today in

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the UFO field especially with podcasting

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Andy mcgrillin what's up my man

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I got a shock seeing myself in full

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screen uh Ryan wondering if that might

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happen

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so hi I've got my elf that's me being

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Christmasy so hi everyone good evening

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good morning good afternoon whatever you

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might be hi hi hi hi and I love the

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T-shirt man you'll have to tell us more

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about that later on

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um cool awesome well let's bring in our

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last panelist First Time guest I think

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like somewhere in the skies I'm so

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excited so honored to have him with us

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also doing amazing work in the UFO field

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that is Vinnie Adams with disclosure

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team what's happening man

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you polite you are a polite man there

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you go that's bad habits I feel like

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danzetta strum

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um but yeah like I said I got the memo I

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got the memo

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look at this guys we did not plan

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I asked him to wear something or bring

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something to the table Christmasy and

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obviously Vinnie and I not only do we

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have similar sweaters but we're also

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drinking our red antique I love it here

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cheers guys

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um tonight's gonna be awesome we already

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have a super chat from red panda koala

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thanks man that's extremely kind of you

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I do want to mention before we do

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anything else

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um all of the Super Chat super stickers

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tonight are going to a cause that's near

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and dear to my heart and that is the

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women's Refugee commission out of New

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York City

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um this is an amazing organization uh

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that is um it's it's a 501

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non-governmental organization that aims

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to improve the lives and protect the

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rights of women Children and Youth

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displaced by conflict or crisis all

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merch cell and book sale profits of

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somewhere in the skies ad Revenue across

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all media platforms and tonight's super

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chats and uh super stickers will go to

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the women's Refugee Refugee commission

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excuse me this holiday season so yeah if

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you're feeling generous tonight throw

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some money in it's going to an

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incredible cause uh so yeah let's let's

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Dive Right In guys we've got a lot to

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cover tonight

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um so so much and uh yeah I'm not sure

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if you guys will agree with me on some

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of these so I'd love to get your

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thoughts and opinions on them but we're

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gonna start

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what better place to start than with the

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UFO Congressional hearing uh this

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happened on May 17th uh Representatives

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Andre Carson chairman of the house

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Intelligence subcommittee on

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counterterrorism counterintelligence and

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counter proliferation led the hearing uh

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the hearing was the first time in more

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than 50 years that the U.S officials

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have provided testimony for public

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consumption about their investigation

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into UFOs Ronald that's Moultrie the

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under secretary of defense for

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intelligence and security and Scott Bray

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deputy director of Naval intelligence

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were basically the ones put in the hot

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seat for this thing

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um so let's I guess Start Right Down the

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Line Chrissy UFO Congressional hearing I

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never thought I would see this day again

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has it happened in over 50 years what

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did you think about this was this big

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news or not

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oh gosh yeah 100 big news for sure I

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think there's many times too when you're

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watching just kind of rolled your eyes a

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lot of that I think with all of this and

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you know who likes the UAP topic and

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obviously wanted more so but you know

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it's a first step and I always this and

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I think everyone else would agree it's

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the first step in for getting more of

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these and we're getting movement we're

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doing the right things and people are

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doing the right things and they're

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starting to have the right conversations

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we just obviously want more transparency

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but this is the first step so I think it

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was great and I watched it and it was

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just it's a historical moment that's for

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sure

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yeah yeah and we'll talk about some of

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the highlights

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um and low lights of this thing but Andy

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let's move to you man UFO Congressional

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hearing I know like this is probably one

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of the biggest things that's happened

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since you got into the the UFO world I

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would think uh what did you make of this

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so I remember watching it and commented

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at the time that I was in the room I'm

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in now in my kitchen and watching on TV

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because I think it started early morning

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and hi to everyone in the chat I'll try

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and remember to speak clearly

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um I was early morning or afternoon

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afternoon here in the UK and at the same

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time the highlights of the Johnny Depp

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Amber Heard trial we're on in the

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sitting room and my wife was watching

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that and I think it was just I remember

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saying to her that's quite unique and

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historic event is happening and I'm

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watching this where they're actually

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talking about UFOs and a professional

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political setting live on yeah it was on

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YouTube wasn't it um but the interest of

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the of the world was on Johnny Depp and

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Amber Heard and I think for all your you

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think sometimes we've come a long way

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and we have and the progressions been

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phenomenal a lot of moments like that

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reminded me that actually if I go

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outside and go round about and ask

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everyone what they're watching at that

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time I think every other household would

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have been watching either Johnny Depp on

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trial with Amber Heard or something else

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um and it was like Chrissy said it was a

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first step I think it was equivalent of

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trying to put on your first concert and

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getting some bands to come along and not

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quite get the bands you wanted but

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you've learned some life lessons and

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hopefully next time you can put on

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Woodstock

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um so yeah it was it was a bit of a

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stuttering start but I think it was a

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start that was probably necessary and

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expected so yeah like I said we'll get

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into some of the details No Doubt yeah a

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good analogy I think yeah you wanted

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Blink 182 guys you got new phone Glory

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I'm sorry the way it is sometimes which

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like one of my favorite bands I remember

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they opened for Blink ones and I

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actually left after new fog Glory played

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that shows how long we have Mr Tom

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Delong I know right anyways Vinnie what

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did you think man initial thoughts on

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the Congressional hearing the build up

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to it we you know many in the field

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thought oh my God it's happening like

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they're gonna bring an alien out onto

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the Congressional floor

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um what'd you make of it

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um we're following on from what Chrissy

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said it was it was huge you know it was

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the first time since I think 68 that

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we'd had uh you know public hearings on

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the UFO subject and

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um so it was huge it's the first step as

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talking about it through political

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megapaint of red wine with me but I

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um but yeah I think it was it was never

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going to be that clear-cut that we were

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going to get you know instant disclosure

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with with Moultrie and Bray being there

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it was it was never going to be just

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spewing out you know all the information

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that we wanted it was very clear when it

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started that that wasn't going to be the

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case but what was good to see was that

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we had people asking really serious

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said we'll get into a few of the points

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if you want but yeah I think it was just

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yeah yeah well let's go ahead I've got a

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small video here

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um kind of the some of the highlights

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from it I'm gonna go ahead and play I

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think we got two videos they're very

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short guys we do have a lot of videos

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accompanying tonight's thing I think to

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really show you know how big some of

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these stories were they made it into

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mainstream media and whatnot and um yeah

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let me go ahead and pull up the first

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one here this is from the Congressional

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hearing and this was uh I believe Yep

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this was Andre Carson kind of

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introducing it which I thought was

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actually one of the better parts of the

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whole thing so let me go ahead and play

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that now this hearing and oversight work

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has a simple idea at its core

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unidentified aerial phenomena are a

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potential national security threat and

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they need to be treated that way for too

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long the stigma associated with uaps has

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gotten in the way of good intelligence

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analysis

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Pilots avoided reporting or were laughed

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at when they did

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officials relegated the issue to the

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back room or swept it under the rug

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entirely fearful of a skeptical National

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Security Community today we know better

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uaps are unexplained it's true but they

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are real they need to be investigated

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and many threats they pose need to be

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mitigated

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we need to know sirs the status of the

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organization and the obstacle to getting

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it up and running

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secondly

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you have to convince the audience today

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and most especially our military and

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civilian aviators

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the culture

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has changed

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that those who report uaps will be

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treated as Witnesses not as Kooks

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thirdly you need to show US Congress and

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the American public whose imaginations

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you have captured you are willing to

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follow the facts where they lead

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you know we fear sometimes that the dod

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is focused more on emphasizing what it

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can explain

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not investigating what it can

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I love that last thing you said it's so

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telling it's like yeah well of course

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they're gonna like roll out what they

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can explain to show that they've done

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some work on it but it's those

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unexplained unexplained I guess

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um that really are the things we want to

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know about and the fact that there were

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so many unexplained things within this

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first kind of go-around with this

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um it was pretty telling I I don't know

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what what do you guys think what were

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your what were the highlights what

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positives did you take out of this thing

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did anything really stand out to any of

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you whoever wants to take it yeah so for

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me I remember at the time just for a lot

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well I do the member was the language

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they were using because even though they

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weren't directly discussing you know

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recovered materials as such that that

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kind of language is being used you know

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mentioning

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things like an empathy like saucers and

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something else and just that setting

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having that sort of language that we use

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quite freely was really a kind of step

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forward

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um

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and it I think what was probably more

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interesting it reminded me a little bit

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and you're going to talk talk about some

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of the Brazil stuff later on the

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Brazilian hearings was very much

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civilian LED but we were told by

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journalists like Ronnie vernay there was

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a lot of military interest in the

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background and political interest in the

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background where they were actively

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watching what was happening what was

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being said with a view to get involved

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next time and I get the feeling there

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was a lot of eyes on this

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tentatively looking to see right here's

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here's where the water temperature is

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where do we go from here how do we get

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involved do we get involved people at

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the Air Force are they trying to just

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figure a way to stay out of it all

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together

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um I don't know but I think there was

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probably a lot more eyes and ears on

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this than we know and uh that was a real

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positive for me the language being used

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in that setting thinking what could this

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sound like in a couple of months or a

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couple of years time

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hmm right what is it leading to I like

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that yeah I think that's a great uh yeah

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yeah where is this going to go in the

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future and what does this mean and this

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is actually like first step too

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um rock Panda said you know the stigma

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and he it's true making a comment

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towards that and moving forward and

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giving the ability for pilots and

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everyone else who's working within

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government and outside to feel that they

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have the ability to speak and not have

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their wings taken away or you know or be

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labeled this crazy so I think it's I

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think that for sure is like number one I

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think I think maybe that's even the

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theme of this year is removing stigma

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and we're seeing that a lot just coming

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out of Parliament and everywhere else

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and speaking towards it especially

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towards pilots and we'll talk about this

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too hopefully you know the show is just

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what happened with pilots and at the end

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of the year you know a couple months ago

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that being able to to have this

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conversation and Ryan Graves and Ben

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Hansen all these people coming for these

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Amazing Stories so I think that is you

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know a first step and the hearings were

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part of that

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yeah huge yeah Vinnie what were your

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favorite parts of this

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I mean there was a few little points I

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think the first thing that really struck

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me was that you could see the

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frustrations of Congress you know we

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know from the last couple of years that

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the UAP task force moving into aoimsg or

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aimsog that there was just not enough

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work being done now whatever the

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limitations were whether it be Staffing

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budget or whatever we could see that

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Congress or we kept hearing that

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Congress were frustrated with what was

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happening or lack of what was happening

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and this was the first time that we saw

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publicly that the questions were getting

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thrown back at uh Bray and Moultrie

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about like come on what's going on that

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was really good to see firsthand live

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you know on tv YouTube or whatever yeah

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there were a few small things in there

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that really stood out for me things like

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the bray admitting that the Nimitz case

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is unresolved you know I feel like they

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were very quick to to downplay a lot of

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the things that they were asked about

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um and we kind of expected that but just

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big things like that Nimitz really

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really stood out

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um

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so yeah

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I think one thing the one last thing

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would be that

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uh Gallagher asked about whether there

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are any other programs following Project

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Blue Book leading up to atip were there

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anything and the comment from moultry

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was that there was nothing can

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contractual which kind of spoke volumes

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because I think a lot of researchers

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knew that there was possibly a lot of

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things going on behind the scenes uh

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with uh yeah UFO programs yeah there

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were little things for researchers

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especially that were like we could see

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right through that so yummy yummy

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breadcrumbs I know I know yeah you

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mentioned Gallagher

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um let me play this Quick Clip yo this

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dude was fire at this thing yeah I you

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know whatever your politics are I don't

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care

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um this dude like did his homework or

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had people doing his homework we might

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even know some of those people to be

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completely honest but let me play this

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clip really quick this I've also been

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reported uh that there have been uip

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observed uh and interacting with and

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flying over sensitive military

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facilities particularly not just ranges

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but uh some facilities housing are

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strategic nuclear forces one such

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incident allegedly occurred uh uh at

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Malmstrom Air Force Base in which 10 of

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our nuclear icbms were rendered

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inoperable at the same time a glowing

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red orb was observed overhead I'm not

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commenting on the accuracy of this I'm

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simply asking you whether you're aware

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of it and whether you have any comment

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on the accuracy of that report let me

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pass that to Mr Brave you've been

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looking at the uaps over the last three

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years that data is not uh within the

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Holdings of the UAP task force

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okay but are you aware of the the report

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or that the data exists somewhere

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I I have uh I have heard stories I have

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not seen the official data on that so

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you've just seen informal stories no

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official assessment that you've done or

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exists within DOD that you're aware of

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regarding the Malmstrom incident

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all I can speak to is you know what's

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within my cognizance the UAP task force

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and we have not looked at that incident

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well I miss a pretty high profile

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incident uh I don't claim to be an

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expert on this but that's out there in

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The Ether

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you're you're the guys investigating it

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I mean if who else is doing it if

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something was officially brought to our

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attention we would look at it there are

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many things that are out there in The

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Ether that aren't officially brought to

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our attention how would it have to be

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officially brought to you I'm bringing

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look at your [\h__\h] I love it like yeah

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and these guys like look I know this is

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something they don't want to be doing we

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know that we know a lot of the people in

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the UAP task force like this was a side

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thing that they were hired to do or

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ordered to do

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um so like I understand to an extent why

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they don't know the rich history of UFO

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in nuclear installations but I mean come

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on that's probably the most alarming

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national security breach with all of

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this so it's hard it's hard I know a lot

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of it is anecdotal and like we only have

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some people involved with these

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incidents uh coming forward about it

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there is no documentation for some of it

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but I mean come on that case is known

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worldwide and they had absolutely no

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idea what he was talking about uh

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someone mentioned the Wilson documents

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again say what you will about them uh

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the Wilson screenplay as John green mold

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might call it um but apparently

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Christian in the chat is saying that uh

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Gary Nolan was the one to actually brief

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um uh what's his name Gallagher on this

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so uh man someone Christy interviewed

519
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not like a week and a half ago so

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they're listening guys they're

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definitely listening and they're coming

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to us for some of the information which

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Elizondo has been saying from the

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beginning so yeah pretty crazy

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Congressional hearing say what you will

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about it it's going to lead to more

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stuff so yeah any last words on that

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before we move to the next story

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suppose the one thing I would say is

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that they certainly fell back fell back

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on the sources and methods line an awful

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lot during that hearing is almost a get

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out clause and we understand sources and

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methods they can't divulge anything but

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it almost felt like it was a tagline to

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like not say anything so right I I get

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it man well not only that using the

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we'll talk about that in the classified

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briefing thing oh God yeah like if you

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and I had viral every time we're like

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okay yeah we have played a drinking game

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dude every time they said uh we're not

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privy to that or we don't know or

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classified briefing like I would be dead

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on the floor of alcohol poisoning I

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swear

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frustrating to say the least but um yeah

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yeah just to play Devil's Advocate then

549
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Ryan were they potentially

550
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,160
deliberately put out there to look like

551
00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:25,789
yeah man that's like put them put them

552
00:21:30,850 --> 00:21:28,440
under Fire I kind of the scapegoats I

553
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:30,860
guess and so many respectful

554
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:34,679
VLC media player you know no offense to

555
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:38,880
BLC but the whole it's very easy with

556
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,740
any of this stuff to just plant Little

557
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,480
Seeds throughout it we talk about the

558
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,880
bubblazar story just little things

559
00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:46,320
throughout it doesn't make the whole

560
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:48,900
thing untrue but it puts enough doubt in

561
00:21:54,529 --> 00:21:51,720
people's mind yeah that again the common

562
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,539
person flicking on who might see Vinnie

563
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,159
share it on his Twitter feed and go oh

564
00:22:00,049 --> 00:21:58,320
some UFO stream on just now and just

565
00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,059
click on it and after two minutes of

566
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:02,520
watching a random section go these guys

567
00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:03,659
are just saying they don't know anything

568
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:07,020
and they come off it so is that kind of

569
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,580
stuff deliberate that might be very

570
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:11,520
conspiratorial but hey ho here we are

571
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,620
um maybe that kind of stuff happens at

572
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:15,059
those really senior levels look through

573
00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:16,860
these guys under the bus they don't

574
00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:17,820
really know what they're talking about

575
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:19,620
so yeah put them out there rather than

576
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:21,720
yeah someone who would sit there and be

577
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:23,700
like I could tell you but I'm not going

578
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,280
to plausible denyability

579
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:29,039
very good point or take 25 minutes to

580
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,760
play a a click you're right yeah yeah oh

581
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:35,100
God that was like so cringe so many

582
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:36,659
cringe moments during this Congressional

583
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,020
hearing but welcome to ufology let's

584
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:42,240
move to the next group that's going to

585
00:22:47,870 --> 00:22:46,020
be investigating UFOs this is I'm really

586
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:47,880
excited about this to be completely

587
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:50,280
honest we have got how do I get this in

588
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:53,880
here there we go NASA NASA uh how do I

589
00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:55,330
do this

590
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,039
[Music]

591
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:57,360
um

592
00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:58,980
I don't know how to get it back to

593
00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:00,419
slideshow so we're just gonna have to

594
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:02,520
deal with it oh there we go welcome to

595
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:04,140
technology Ryan you'd think you would

596
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,820
know this by now

597
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:08,159
um NASA NASA is getting involved guys

598
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,440
they're commissioning a study team to

599
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,240
examine UAP from a scientific

600
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,820
perspective which I think is key the

601
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:16,320
study will focus on identifying

602
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,360
available data how best to collect

603
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,940
future data and how NASA can use that

604
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:22,080
data to move the scientific

605
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,220
understanding of UAP uh uaps forward uh

606
00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:28,080
this is very important I think too the

607
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,320
agency is not part of the dod's UAP task

608
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,799
force or arrow and um they will however

609
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:36,720
coordinate widely across the government

610
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:38,820
regarding how to apply the tools of

611
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,280
science to shed light on the nature and

612
00:23:46,909 --> 00:23:44,400
origin of UAP the study is expected to

613
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,919
take about nine months to complete it

614
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,020
will secure the Council of experts in

615
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,419
the scientific Aeronautics and data

616
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:54,000
analytics communities to focus on how

617
00:23:59,169 --> 00:23:56,100
best to collect new data and improve

618
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,179
observations of of uaps

619
00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:01,380
this is awesome they're not just going

620
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:03,419
to be looking at military incursions

621
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,460
they're going to be looking at aerial

622
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,580
phenomena across the board across the

623
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,799
world so yeah what do you guys think is

624
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:12,659
this um step in the right direction I

625
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:15,059
don't see how it can't be yeah I think

626
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,220
it's super exciting yeah the only thing

627
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:19,440
I was on the The Press line when they

628
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,419
first announced this

629
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:23,039
um just as a media member and I was

630
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:24,659
listening to the press conference before

631
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:26,600
you know the article started rolling out

632
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,360
and I believe and quote me if I'm don't

633
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:31,919
quote me I might be wrong but I believe

634
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,240
that they said the study and this might

635
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:35,039
have changed now since they've kind of

636
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:36,780
later on have come out with later press

637
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,580
releases but I remember they first

638
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,320
initially said that I believe the it was

639
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:42,780
a hundred thousand dollars for a budget

640
00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:44,940
to do the investigation that sounds

641
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:47,700
right yeah right like but that's not a

642
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:50,700
lot of money let's be honest here right

643
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:53,640
for NASA that's like you can't even fly

644
00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:55,380
a jet up for that amount of money I

645
00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:56,900
think you know

646
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,799
yeah right let's see exactly so with

647
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:03,720
that said you know I have questions

648
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:05,400
around that like what are the budgets

649
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:06,600
what are you doing you know how much

650
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:07,980
money are you putting into this because

651
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:10,140
that's what they kind of set off the Hop

652
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:12,299
and everybody was like wow that's not a

653
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:13,500
lot of money

654
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:16,200
um and you're doing a research on more

655
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,320
research or on a report so there are a

656
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:21,360
lot of like gaps within NASA right now

657
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:22,620
and I know that they need to start in

658
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:24,120
the beginning and I'm not going to rag

659
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:25,799
on them that's for sure they need to

660
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:27,240
start and do their due diligence and do

661
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:28,740
what they're supposed to do

662
00:25:33,169 --> 00:25:30,299
um but it felt like it was a report of a

663
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,179
report and with very lackluster money so

664
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:35,039
hopefully that changes I think it will

665
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:36,900
because I think that's the the blowback

666
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,419
they ended up getting initially but you

667
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,559
know we'll see where we go next year

668
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,720
with that but overall I'm just extreme

669
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,640
really happy that they're involved and

670
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,320
it's just to have they're having such a

671
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,240
voice now which is very needed and very

672
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:49,440
wanted

673
00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:51,179
in my opinion

674
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:52,940
yeah

675
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,400
by saying same thing I've said about any

676
00:26:01,970 --> 00:26:00,720
governmental departments NASA is a big

677
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,980
organization

678
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:04,320
and I think people look and go NASA

679
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,900
never straight answer or NASA they know

680
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:08,820
what's going on they as thousands of

681
00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:11,159
people based all over the world okay for

682
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,820
a start and 99.9 of them don't and work

683
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,080
for NASA

684
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,779
historically I imagine a few folks

685
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:20,880
involved with NASA over time have known

686
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:24,720
a lot about the the UFOs that they may

687
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:26,940
have encountered in their their streams

688
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:28,919
and you know when they're filming

689
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,840
um but I reckon most of the people

690
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:32,640
working there now are largely in the

691
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,679
dark but it's good like Chrissy says

692
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,299
NASA are now involved I think they

693
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,640
should have their place in all of this I

694
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,500
would love to see their back catalog and

695
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:43,080
one thing that I think is a positive and

696
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:44,520
I think I talked about this a long time

697
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:46,440
ago when it came to the ktip and stuff

698
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:48,600
and it might have been when luella's

699
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,340
under was on the podcast or a

700
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:52,679
conversation with Dan or something you

701
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,140
don't necessarily need a budget to go

702
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,960
back and review all documents or to walk

703
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,360
down a corridor and speak to someone in

704
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,880
a different room who works on you know

705
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,100
the ISS live feed that doesn't really

706
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:07,440
involve a budget look as far as my

707
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,940
understanding would be just working in

708
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,760
corporations and stuff you know so to to

709
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,919
sit and review the NASA back catalog

710
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,320
which is thousands upon thousands of

711
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,000
hours of footage

712
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,220
as did I draw somewhere where they have

713
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,559
labeled you know anomalous phenomena you

714
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,840
know space junk debris and literally

715
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,240
some of these people are not on this

716
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:28,620
investigatory panel could literally be

717
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:30,600
tasked with you know what there's a load

718
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,299
of video or betamax or DVDs or whatever

719
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,720
they might be MP4s over there

720
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,419
just go through it and there's all kinds

721
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,799
of cool stuff you can watch just on

722
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,440
YouTube let alone going back to watch

723
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,840
the official NASA stuff and even then if

724
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:47,520
I was involved in this this is off the

725
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,799
top of my head I would go onto YouTube

726
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,779
and watch people's uploads of

727
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:54,360
interesting NASA stuff like the ISS live

728
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:57,059
feed and I would go ah Ryan's put on his

729
00:28:02,570 --> 00:27:59,159
channel that something flew past ISS on

730
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:02,580
the 27th of November 2022 I'm going to

731
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:04,919
now go to the actual raw footage down

732
00:28:09,769 --> 00:28:07,140
the corridor pull that up and watch the

733
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:09,779
full unedited thing does that involve a

734
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:13,200
budget probably not just my time so that

735
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,700
to me I think is where I'd be starting

736
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:16,320
with this investigation for some of

737
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:17,940
these folks to go back and look at what

738
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,460
is available of that footage not to say

739
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:22,080
all the interesting stuff you know Black

740
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,640
Knight satellite and all that kind of

741
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:26,220
thing is necessarily going to be there

742
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:28,919
and there's some pretty um neutral folk

743
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:30,900
as pertaining to their interest in the

744
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:33,480
UFO subject on that list of people who

745
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,860
are going to be doing this investigation

746
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,500
and some of them are quite skeptical of

747
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,240
the UFO subject

748
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,039
um known to be and I think that's a good

749
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:43,980
thing because all that will do will lend

750
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:47,159
weight and Credence to any positive

751
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:49,559
outcome of their investigation and like

752
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,419
you've all said before with a

753
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,580
congressional stuff being the first step

754
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:55,500
I think that's what this is going to be

755
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,299
for NASA this is then putting their toe

756
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,520
in the water to say look how can we get

757
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:01,620
involved how can we study this how can

758
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:02,820
we move forward

759
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:05,100
maybe a hundred thousand dollars isn't a

760
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,240
lot of money in the grand scheme of

761
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:08,100
things but what can that hundred

762
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,720
thousand dollars turn into for a

763
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:11,580
three-year funded program because we

764
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,400
have found this this and this so I'm on

765
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:17,039
the positive side of this one I think

766
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,059
yeah you you put the work in and that's

767
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:23,220
when the money goes up like this is the

768
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:24,840
literally the reason for budgets every

769
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:28,080
year as we'll be talking about later on

770
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,820
um so yeah I think you're right man the

771
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,620
more they produce the more they're going

772
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,000
to be like huh yeah there's something to

773
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:35,460
this let's put more money in it or let's

774
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:37,380
shutter this because they found too much

775
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,720
uh for the more conspiratorial out there

776
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:42,179
uh Vinnie what do you think man NASA

777
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,760
UFOs finally like they the ones who

778
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,799
should have been doing this all along

779
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,720
well I thought it was a great thing and

780
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:50,520
I remember the day that it was kind of

781
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,140
announced and obviously I reported it on

782
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:53,760
my social medias but the first

783
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,320
impression that I got back from everyone

784
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:57,720
else was oh it's NASA they they've known

785
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,399
for decades what's going on they've been

786
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,740
airbrushing these things out for for so

787
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:03,120
long

788
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,980
um and I kind of I kind of resonated

789
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:06,720
with that to a degree obviously we can't

790
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:09,480
prove that but I think the issue was

791
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:12,600
that they've announced a pre-study

792
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:15,299
um and maybe you know I like what Dan

793
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,640
Evans and his team um said when they

794
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,740
first announced this but I think if they

795
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:21,720
were aware of what the general Public's

796
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:23,580
views were on NASA when it comes to UFOs

797
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:25,080
is maybe they should have done this

798
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:28,559
pre-study behind the scenes and then

799
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,120
said nine months down the road right

800
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:32,100
we've done a pre-study now we're ready

801
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,500
to study UFOs and talk publicly about it

802
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:36,960
and then analyze you know the footage

803
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:39,140
from civilian government entities from

804
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:41,399
uh other sources like they've said

805
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,539
they're going to do this this

806
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:44,580
announcement we're going to pre-study

807
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,679
something so that we might study it down

808
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,960
the road it's kind of like here we go

809
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,760
again NASA the whole never a straight

810
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,620
answer and all that stuff you know which

811
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,840
I can understand from the general public

812
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,120
you know and for me personally I thought

813
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,980
it was a great thing so that there's a

814
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:01,080
little bit of conflicting viewpoints on

815
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:03,059
it from from my angle

816
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,010
there's like I think it's interesting I

817
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,000
like the way that you you thought of

818
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,440
that like how to strategize going

819
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:15,240
forward and saying we've done a report

820
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,399
and like now here's you know this is

821
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,720
what we're doing next I think that's

822
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:20,399
actually really really smart hey

823
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:22,500
Christopher playing by the way

824
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:23,880
um I think that's really really smart

825
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,620
the only reason why I think NASA decided

826
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,240
to probably go ahead with that story

827
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:29,340
first was for the fact that they

828
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:31,320
probably wanted the Press you know UFOs

829
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:33,539
are so tropical right now so for them

830
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,980
they probably decided to go forward

831
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,779
because they were like you know it's so

832
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,520
hard for us to get press on every not

833
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:40,320
everything they do but there they have a

834
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,820
lot of stuff happening all the time so

835
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,799
get used to cover stuff consistently

836
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,779
minus like armis and like and a bunch of

837
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:47,039
other office

838
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:49,140
um other campaigns that are a lot larger

839
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,299
this is something that's topical in news

840
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,580
so the average person along with the UAP

841
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,320
Community would find it interesting and

842
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:57,000
share it so I feel like that's probably

843
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,919
why they did it but I actually like your

844
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,480
strategy way better because that just

845
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,580
sounds way more professional than doing

846
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:04,740
it same time if you look at Bill Bill

847
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:06,659
Nelson's comments last year were really

848
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,100
big and it was like here we have a NASA

849
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:10,440
administrator talking openly about UAP

850
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:13,500
so I guess it's like if they're taking a

851
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:16,140
lead from him then that makes sense so I

852
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,580
see it from that point of view as well

853
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:19,500
but it all just seems a little bit messy

854
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,779
like yeah I agree with you I think it

855
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:23,340
was messy too but I'm happy they're

856
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:26,279
doing it but you know yeah the thing is

857
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:28,200
like doing announcements like this is so

858
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,940
hard at times to see how people are

859
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:31,679
going to take it and how it's going to

860
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,179
be received so I'm just happy they're

861
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,460
doing it but for sure like you know

862
00:32:41,649 --> 00:32:36,720
we're all everyone's gonna always have a

863
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,090
there's a big list of people involved

864
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,080
and I wonder if they did keep it to

865
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:48,539
themselves after four or five months

866
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,580
halfway through the study

867
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,440
someone's they're all going to speak to

868
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:53,940
different people about it and then it

869
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:55,380
comes out in the press that there's a

870
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:58,679
secret NASA UFO study going on yeah yeah

871
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:01,320
good point too good point yeah you don't

872
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,820
want that and I get you see like the

873
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,320
bill Nielsen stuff he's gonna driving it

874
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:06,299
and he's like he seems from a UFO point

875
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:08,460
of view I could kind of spearhead to

876
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,960
have there because he has an interest

877
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,880
from his previous positions he's been

878
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,919
briefed on the topic in the way a lot of

879
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,360
the canary Congressional and political

880
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,720
leaders have so I think the openness is

881
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,460
is welcome

882
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:22,860
um and you know what if again it's that

883
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:25,980
first step isn't it low budget a lot of

884
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:27,659
names aren't really UFO people but

885
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,220
that's probably a good thing because on

886
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:31,140
the other side if it was all UFO people

887
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,240
then it's going to be biased the other

888
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,799
way isn't it so

889
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,360
um I get that though but yeah can you

890
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:38,700
imagine the headlines Tim McMillan

891
00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:50,269
oh man and yeah Andy but you made a good

892
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:51,480
point with that list of the people

893
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,419
involved God yeah I you just scroll and

894
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:56,159
scroll my finger got tired there were so

895
00:34:00,130 --> 00:33:58,019
many people involved with this which is

896
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,140
really cool and exciting and you know

897
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,600
how did that happen there you go yeah

898
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:05,940
see and I know like John greenwald's

899
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:08,580
already started foia in all of them for

900
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,899
like what they've been involved with

901
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:11,580
this that this that

902
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,099
um can you share who that was or is that

903
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:19,250
um there's nothing secret because I'm

904
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,339
not saying yeah it'll be something

905
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:22,859
coming up like in five months because I

906
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,060
don't think any of them are going to

907
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:25,440
talk until it's finished I don't think

908
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,399
they're allowed

909
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:28,679
that's a professional right there yep I

910
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:31,980
love it all right guys NASA gotta love

911
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:34,379
it gotta love it let's move to our next

912
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:35,339
story

913
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:37,859
um let me play the video uh because I

914
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:40,260
think this will speak for itself I'll

915
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,200
give a little background guys uh we have

916
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:47,040
on June 12th 2022 physicist reveals he's

917
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,520
a UFO Hunter for the Pentagon I know

918
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,740
Andy you've interviewed him

919
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,720
um the debrief has talked to him on many

920
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,060
many occasions have you Vinnie before we

921
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,520
give his name away I haven't no me

922
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:01,320
either yeah I heard he's a nice guy

923
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:04,859
though after a few drinks but Chris for

924
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,380
another time

925
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,180
one of the US government's Premier UFO

926
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,280
investigators wow they actually said

927
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,560
that in the article uh has stepped out

928
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,420
of the Shadows to openly discuss his

929
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:17,880
work for the UAP task force uh

930
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:21,780
astrophysicist Dr Travis Travis Dr

931
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,660
Travis Taylor best known for his work on

932
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,119
secretive skin walker Ranch we was also

933
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:29,820
working as the chief scientist for the

934
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,660
UAP task force Taylor earned Advanced

935
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,700
degrees at a young age

936
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,800
um excuse me and has spent his entire

937
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:39,240
adult life working on classified

938
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:42,060
projects with the US Army and uh

939
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,820
Department of Defense as a contractor he

940
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:46,859
wrote a book about how the US government

941
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:49,380
should prepare for alien contact which

942
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:52,619
caught the attention of Jay Stratton a

943
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:54,180
high-ranking intelligence official who

944
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,500
has been involved with each of the

945
00:36:01,550 --> 00:35:58,160
pentagon's secretive UFO investigations

946
00:36:03,849 --> 00:36:01,560
uh let's play this small clip quick this

947
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:03,859
is George Knapp over at mystery wire

948
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:07,980
who assisted in Breaking this news we

949
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:10,380
all wanted to know who was working on

950
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:13,500
this UAP task force and it was kind of a

951
00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:15,060
bomb dropped for those in the UFO

952
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:16,619
Community or anyone who watched

953
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:19,140
secretive Skinwalker Ranch the one and

954
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:21,540
only Travis Taylor so let's go ahead and

955
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,420
play this video right now you were

956
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:26,640
instrumental in writing the report that

957
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:28,020
went to con that was demanded by

958
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,119
Congress that was made public the 144

959
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:32,760
cases right I was one of the people who

960
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,339
wrote uh words that are in that thing it

961
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:37,800
was a team and we work diligently on it

962
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,820
for a long time and you know we we

963
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:43,920
started out with everything we could

964
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:45,900
think of and the kitchen sink and put in

965
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:48,420
it and then we realized it's going to a

966
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,040
public audience and to the Congress and

967
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:51,599
this thing so we had to write it in a

968
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,920
way that they would understand and get

969
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,680
the point and the point the The Nine

970
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,140
Pages that came out there's a golden

971
00:37:02,450 --> 00:36:59,760
nugget in those nine pages if people

972
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:02,460
just pay attention here there were 144

973
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:04,859
cases we studied in a period of about

974
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:08,700
three years and in that time time frame

975
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,099
of just studying 144 cases these were

976
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:12,960
only cases that were from credible

977
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:15,480
military sources right and not from just

978
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:17,220
move on or you know because they may be

979
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:18,660
having all over the world but we pick

980
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,060
sources that were we knew had a chain of

981
00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:22,560
custody of the day

982
00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:25,160
and out of those 144

983
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:27,420
143 of them we still couldn't figure out

984
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,660
what they were uh I'm not here to to

985
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:33,359
believe or disbelieve I'm here to find

986
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:34,980
out what's going on and do an analysis

987
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:37,800
on the data we have and the data that we

988
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:40,380
had in many cases there was more of it

989
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,700
than what the general public has and

990
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,400
what was released and so when we say

991
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,560
that we had a thing that was from

992
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:48,720
multiple sensors and it told us multiple

993
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:50,760
things and we also had eyewitness

994
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:53,579
accounts audio information and so on

995
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,740
then you put all that together it's a

996
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:58,020
much bigger picture than just saying oh

997
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:59,220
well we're not going to listen or look

998
00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:00,420
at any of that we're only going to look

999
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:02,339
at the what's on this few seconds of

1000
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:04,740
video and we can tell you for sure from

1001
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:06,780
this few seconds of video what it is I

1002
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,740
don't think there's a person on the

1003
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:09,119
planet that can really do that and do it

1004
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:11,700
honestly so we certainly if we've got

1005
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:15,240
platforms that captured other data and

1006
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:17,640
it's data from a sensor that nobody

1007
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:19,500
knows exists we're not going to release

1008
00:38:22,569 --> 00:38:20,700
that data because then you know the

1009
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:22,579
sensory exists

1010
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:25,079
so that seems to be I think one of the

1011
00:38:28,569 --> 00:38:26,700
big things Elizondo said this

1012
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:28,579
Christopher Mullen has said this like

1013
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,680
literally by telling you how we capture

1014
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,380
these things puts us in danger you will

1015
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:36,000
know that these sensor platforms are

1016
00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:37,740
there what they're doing where they're

1017
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,320
monitoring things so that's why

1018
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,820
locations and shapes and stuff are

1019
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,740
redacted which I remember when that

1020
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:45,060
thing came out and they literally

1021
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:46,560
redacted the shapes of these things

1022
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,300
they're like come on you can't even give

1023
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:50,640
us the damn shapes of the UFOs and

1024
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,140
they're like no okay so like you know

1025
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:54,420
this could give away adversary things or

1026
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,060
this or that or how we actually track

1027
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,760
them so it makes sense but okay let's

1028
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,680
hear it um Christy I want to start with

1029
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:03,359
you only because I know you knew about

1030
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,599
this maybe a week before the public did

1031
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,820
is am I correct on this I don't say I

1032
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:10,400
knew because

1033
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:14,700
they think I know everything no but no

1034
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:16,740
but here's what I did know and what I

1035
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,780
saw more about more likely of what I saw

1036
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:21,359
so I was at SCU a scientific Coalition

1037
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,780
for UAP studies with Micah Hanks and we

1038
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,400
were out it's actually down the street

1039
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,680
from the Arsenal in Alabama in Rocket

1040
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:31,380
City crazy enough and so we were there

1041
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,480
and Dr Travis Taylor is there so and I

1042
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,640
was previously with him with Micah Hanks

1043
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:37,440
where we were at the conference in Utah

1044
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:39,540
and then you know a couple days later we

1045
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,980
end up you know I didn't realize he was

1046
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,660
going to be there where we ended up

1047
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,680
being in the same spot again and I'm

1048
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,720
like hey Travis good to see you again

1049
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,060
um it's funny enough but what I did on a

1050
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,099
scene there between George Knapp and

1051
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:53,460
what I saw between Dr Taylor was

1052
00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:54,839
obviously like

1053
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:56,820
um I should say Jeremy barbell was there

1054
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,440
Georgina there was a really wonderful

1055
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,180
group of people that were there

1056
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:02,160
um and what I ended up seeing was you

1057
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:03,540
know you can see almost not I'm going to

1058
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:04,980
use the word Alliance but you can see

1059
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:07,020
that conversations were happening so we

1060
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:08,220
knew something was going to come out

1061
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:11,160
because you know understanding that your

1062
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:12,599
relationships are really important and

1063
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:14,339
how you're reporting as a journalist or

1064
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,200
what you're doing even in the pr side of

1065
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:18,480
things extremely important and so there

1066
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,859
was something happening I could tell

1067
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,359
that something was gonna was trickling

1068
00:40:25,849 --> 00:40:23,220
coming down the pipeline fine did I know

1069
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:25,859
that it was that no but I had no idea

1070
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:28,260
that Travis was going to say that but I

1071
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,400
knew something was going to come out

1072
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:31,859
just you know just my feeling on that

1073
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:33,660
and then a week later that kind of

1074
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,920
popped up and I was like I'm not

1075
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:37,680
surprised but hey I congrats to George

1076
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,020
Knapp that's exactly how you do it and

1077
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:42,359
you know they he came up he they all so

1078
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:44,040
many people were there and that's how

1079
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:45,240
you build relationships but it's

1080
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:46,740
interesting how you see where alignment

1081
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:48,119
ends up happening in those spaces but

1082
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,500
that's where information is shared right

1083
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:51,420
in one of those cases

1084
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,400
yeah and I know a lot of people I could

1085
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:55,200
be wrong that also might not be the case

1086
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:56,460
too George Monday knew that way before

1087
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:58,440
too let's say that that's just my Spidey

1088
00:41:01,790 --> 00:41:00,359
stuff is telling me that but that's a

1089
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:01,800
fair point yeah

1090
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:03,180
um and a lot of people were dismayed

1091
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:04,320
with this news they're like are you

1092
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:06,060
kidding me the dude from Skinwalker

1093
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:08,940
Ranch like a what and even like Travis

1094
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:12,359
when uh was a dragon found out like he

1095
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:13,859
even kept a secret from the cast of

1096
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:16,140
Skinwalker Ranch when when Dragon found

1097
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:18,780
out he was pissed at him he thought they

1098
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:20,520
said he's a plan like they sent him in

1099
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,700
here like crazy crazy stuff um what do

1100
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,960
you guys think Vinnie let's go to you

1101
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:26,160
next man what did you make of the news

1102
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:27,480
that Travis Taylor was the chief

1103
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,339
scientist the task

1104
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:31,320
um I was surprised

1105
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,720
um but not unpleasantly surprised I like

1106
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:35,640
Travis Taylor

1107
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,540
um

1108
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,359
very quickly after the announcement he

1109
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:41,880
got a lot of uh there was a little stick

1110
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:44,940
online on UFO Twitter especially and you

1111
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:48,060
know he he's obviously made some

1112
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,339
points on certain cases that the UAP

1113
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,680
task force looked at and then we had a

1114
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,960
lot of pushback from other people

1115
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:56,520
um I think we know the kind of people

1116
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:58,260
who I'm I'm not going to name names

1117
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,119
because we've all been there too many

1118
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,460
times but it's like do we believe Travis

1119
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,260
do we believe this guy who opposes it

1120
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:05,839
and it's back and forth all the time

1121
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:08,460
Travis has got the credentials

1122
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,980
um so again I think for me it's a

1123
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,540
waiting game on these cases that they've

1124
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,980
looked at

1125
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:16,020
um I'm not going to judge too quickly

1126
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,940
because I believe this guy or I believe

1127
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,640
that guy so yeah I think it's it's okay

1128
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,560
it's great I like Travis

1129
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,940
um maybe that'll come back and bite me

1130
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:25,500
in the ass one day I don't know but yeah

1131
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:26,940
it's all good

1132
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:29,460
yeah for sure for sure

1133
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,079
um I just want to say hello to Douglas

1134
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,320
Sprague this is my father who um isn't

1135
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:36,240
too tech savvy so when he hops in here

1136
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:37,859
I'm always excited that he actually made

1137
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,320
it happen so hello Douglas Sprague hello

1138
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,960
Sprague family if you're watching

1139
00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:44,640
um uh my dad's the coolest I gotta get

1140
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,000
him on the show sometime

1141
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:50,400
quiz Mr Sprague on his crazy son's weird

1142
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:51,720
life

1143
00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:53,579
um but yeah thanks Dad and yes I will

1144
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,859
bring the sweater home for sure

1145
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:57,660
um I like Vinnies I like yours better

1146
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:59,400
man this one I'll send you you can have

1147
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:01,140
one your dad can have the other

1148
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,260
fair enough fair enough

1149
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:06,480
um Andy before I move to you brother I

1150
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:08,040
do just want to

1151
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,160
um to say uh thank you to we got tati

1152
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:13,380
with a 20 Super Chat thanks man again

1153
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:15,180
for anyone just joining us we're doing a

1154
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,180
top 10 uh it's not top ten it's a few

1155
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:20,640
more than that a top UFO stories of 2022

1156
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:23,339
here so that you don't have to we've got

1157
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,839
it all for you here you're gonna learn

1158
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,060
what happened this year with UFOs so

1159
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:28,920
thank you to Todd and thank you to Red

1160
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,619
uh red panda koala all the donations

1161
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:33,420
tonight are going to the women's Refugee

1162
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:35,940
commission a wonderful organization that

1163
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,040
I uh that I love to support so thank you

1164
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,319
guys Andy let's move to you brother what

1165
00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:42,119
did you make when you learned this guy

1166
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,619
who you had interviewed

1167
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:45,660
um uh was the head Chief scientist at

1168
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,040
the UAP task force I was annoyed

1169
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,160
um

1170
00:43:55,329 --> 00:43:54,660
before this came out

1171
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:55,339
um

1172
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,920
so yeah I was like oh George if only

1173
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,359
I've known or if time had happened

1174
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:03,060
differently but um just from purely from

1175
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:04,740
a selfish point of view

1176
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:07,079
um yeah it was it would have been nice

1177
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:09,300
timing had it happened a week later uh

1178
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:11,460
or a week before but yeah um

1179
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,480
has Travis Taylor's TV work and the the

1180
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,579
editing of the Merce the the mercy of

1181
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:20,480
the editing he's put at and his

1182
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,160
associations with you know things like

1183
00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:25,740
alien corn and that kind of stuff paint

1184
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,859
him in a certain way to a lot of people

1185
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,660
um especially the Skinwalker Ranch TV

1186
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,420
show and how it's filmed that's up to

1187
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,400
people right however

1188
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:38,160
Travis Taylor CV and academical

1189
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:40,619
achievements tell a very different story

1190
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:44,099
he is incredibly well qualified we would

1191
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,480
be here for a couple of hours right and

1192
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:47,760
if I listed off all his kind of phds

1193
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,500
degrees and and various different

1194
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:52,020
qualifications that that tell you why he

1195
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:54,060
is absolutely the type of person that

1196
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:55,500
should be involved in something like

1197
00:44:59,089 --> 00:44:57,480
that and I suppose I can say this as

1198
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:59,099
someone who's Scottish and gets a lot of

1199
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,780
flack from my accent which I I don't

1200
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,480
bother by the way I I joking about it he

1201
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,160
has an accent and he's got that southern

1202
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,400
U.S accent so he gets judged on that as

1203
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:11,040
well by a lot of people so here's a guy

1204
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:12,900
he doesn't do many things yeah yeah

1205
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:15,180
that's it so you want someone with like

1206
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:17,220
a fancy accent like Chrissy or Vinnie

1207
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,060
you know

1208
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,160
um or you're even yours Ryan that's it

1209
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,619
you expect something like that or when

1210
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,960
you watch Congress and you hear Moultrie

1211
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,119
and Bray and and all those guys talking

1212
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,240
you expect something like that not

1213
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:31,920
Travis Taylor with that kind of Southern

1214
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,680
drawl but why not and like I say his CV

1215
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:37,020
and academics speak for themselves

1216
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,160
um yeah for me yeah it makes sense I

1217
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,480
don't think many people saw it can I

1218
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,400
come in and you're right like he did

1219
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,839
keep it secret from everyone he says

1220
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:47,880
even Brandon didn't know that that was

1221
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:49,079
the case

1222
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,140
um which is which is totally fair enough

1223
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,480
um yeah as and what does impress me

1224
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,800
though is still those kind of

1225
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:58,140
connections that this guy who wrote this

1226
00:46:02,809 --> 00:45:59,160
very

1227
00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:02,819
serious report has involved in

1228
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,300
TV shows and like I say the alien con

1229
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,579
stuff for George osycholus Nick Pope and

1230
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:11,400
that kind of touring stage not

1231
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:13,140
production but you know that that kind

1232
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,720
of format which is quite ancient well as

1233
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:17,760
Ancient Aliens isn't it but yeah it's

1234
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,859
almost like in a criss-crossing of those

1235
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:21,839
worlds like when Chris Miller met Linda

1236
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:23,099
Moulton Howe and you saw them in the

1237
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:25,140
same place at the same time and it was

1238
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:27,000
like you're following a meeting yeah it

1239
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,260
was like a weird Crossroads you couldn't

1240
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,240
expect to see in the same place but

1241
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,700
maybe that's a good thing because again

1242
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:34,800
not to flip too much but Ancient Aliens

1243
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:37,319
is one of those shows I think the basis

1244
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,020
of it there's a there's some truth there

1245
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,000
I just think at some point it went way

1246
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,920
off the track and that's not to say that

1247
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:46,560
it's not got some Foundation but not

1248
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,280
everything is aliens as the meme says

1249
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,099
well yeah a few of us are trying to uh

1250
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:55,680
pull in that Ancient Aliens thing I I

1251
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:57,540
won't go any further but we're trying to

1252
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,060
bring it back to where it should be so

1253
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:01,800
never trust anyone that's on that show

1254
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,240
Ryan never everyone turn off this live

1255
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,599
stream right now or Shameless plug look

1256
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:11,160
out for the new season of ancient aliens

1257
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:12,780
coming to you this spring what what did

1258
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:14,099
I say sorry

1259
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,099
um very fair points man very fair points

1260
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:19,440
and I think and um you know John

1261
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,000
Greenwald did a really good interview

1262
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,000
with him quite recently as well and I've

1263
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:25,440
always been on the fence about Travis

1264
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:27,780
too just kind of how he carries himself

1265
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:30,540
on Twitter and stuff not really my thing

1266
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,339
um how he responds to people and whatnot

1267
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,520
uh and and I mean same could be said for

1268
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:37,560
Gary Nolan I I don't like how he kind of

1269
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,560
handles his himself on Twitter sometimes

1270
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:42,960
too but a lot of people don't like how I

1271
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,780
handle myself on Twitter either

1272
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:47,160
um but at the end of the day it's the

1273
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:49,079
work they produce it's the credentials

1274
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:51,000
they have that truly matter not speaking

1275
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,680
for me but like for these other people

1276
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:55,020
who have the credentials to be speaking

1277
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,579
about what they're speaking about and I

1278
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:58,260
think Travis did can I just a wonderful

1279
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:59,220
job

1280
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,859
because you really yeah okay and and

1281
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:03,960
that's as in a positive or negative way

1282
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,720
but we don't know these people and

1283
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,339
that's not in a conspiratorial sense

1284
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:09,599
because you could still talk about

1285
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:12,359
celebrities in the same way social media

1286
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:14,760
has given you access and given us all

1287
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:17,099
access to our favorite celebrities

1288
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,980
footballers actors politicians you know

1289
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:22,160
influencers are another thing

1290
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,800
within seconds whereas back in the day

1291
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,839
people like Frank Sinatra you know you

1292
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,700
never spoke to them you never met them

1293
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:32,400
you heard stories and that was it so you

1294
00:48:36,109 --> 00:48:34,020
you formed your own opinion in a really

1295
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,119
strange way whereas now you literally

1296
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:39,000
have all this stuff presented to you and

1297
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,560
you can literally see that in our

1298
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:42,780
workings of your favorite musician's

1299
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:45,300
head as they just spout out 140

1300
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,920
characters what they're thinking at that

1301
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:49,280
moment so we've got this really

1302
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:52,560
perverted look at voyeuristic look at

1303
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,140
everyone's lives so everyone makes up

1304
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,359
that because I see this and I read this

1305
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:59,819
I think this person is this and you

1306
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:01,619
don't know what's Persona you don't know

1307
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,000
what's a protective layer that people

1308
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,740
put out I know you say about like Gary

1309
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:06,540
and stuff but I get why some people can

1310
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,000
be quite pissy online because they do

1311
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:11,160
get I can imagine they get a lot of crap

1312
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:14,520
you know from from everyone or emails

1313
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,200
and DMS and all that kind of stuff so

1314
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,960
why not put up a bit of a shell or just

1315
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,700
be really thick skin then can I blow it

1316
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,839
off

1317
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:24,000
um so I can totally appreciate that from

1318
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:26,220
from anyone not just from a UFO point of

1319
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:28,680
view but anyone with our social

1320
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,800
following that just gets tons of tons of

1321
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:34,140
nonsense and but for all the crap people

1322
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:35,940
get there's a lot of great a lot of

1323
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:37,260
great comments and you look at the chat

1324
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:38,520
just now with all the people in there

1325
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,740
and stuff as well so so yeah I think

1326
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:42,300
it's just it just comes to the territory

1327
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:43,800
for these folks

1328
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,900
um and but what we had was people like

1329
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,720
Louis zando just got off social media

1330
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,160
pretty much

1331
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,260
and like I say to folks you maybe Don't

1332
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:53,760
Know What You've Got Till It's Gone you

1333
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:54,780
know

1334
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,660
good point when you're driving these

1335
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:00,720
people off it's it's it's it's not like

1336
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,180
that doesn't help to be complete that's

1337
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:05,520
just my opinion sorry Chrissy no it's

1338
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,079
okay I'm like I also think that Dr

1339
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,060
Travis Taylor sometimes you who have to

1340
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,220
be mindful they're recent comments I

1341
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:12,480
believe you know he didn't know that it

1342
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:14,579
was being filmed first of all so but you

1343
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,960
have to be mindful that when you're a

1344
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:17,400
public person and you're speaking at a

1345
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:18,780
public event that somebody's gonna film

1346
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:22,020
it on social media saying that uh

1347
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,180
Skinwalker killed Bigelow's you know

1348
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:27,180
Robert Bigelow's wife is a very dark

1349
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,460
comment and also very very drastic

1350
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,040
comment to make and as a scientist

1351
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:35,520
that's not a very scientific claim so I

1352
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:37,020
would just be mindful in things that I

1353
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:38,280
think he's wonderful I think he's a

1354
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:39,540
great human being I think he's trying

1355
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,160
his best I think he's doing the work he

1356
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,020
is but I think sometimes we all have to

1357
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:46,079
be mindful myself everyone included that

1358
00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:47,700
when you put something on social media

1359
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,079
or when you say something in a public

1360
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:51,300
conference that you should prepare to

1361
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:53,160
see that on a billboard and you should

1362
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:56,579
be prepared to then right and it just it

1363
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:57,960
is what it is and I think that he just

1364
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:59,160
has to be mindful because when you're

1365
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,900
running around telling people the

1366
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:02,640
Skinwalker Ranch has killed somebody

1367
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:04,740
it's a pretty bold claim especially

1368
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,420
coming from a scientist

1369
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:08,220
you nailed it though Chrissy and and

1370
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:10,140
you've got the Gen next to you Ryan who

1371
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,300
wrote a book about the the human aspect

1372
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,000
of the UFO phenomenon these people are

1373
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:17,640
still human beings they are still not

1374
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,760
infallible they make mistakes and they

1375
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,800
when the cameras go off or when they put

1376
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:24,960
their phone down they're they're not

1377
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,420
sitting in an office watching UFO videos

1378
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,400
you know they're walking around shops

1379
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:31,740
with their kids they're they're going to

1380
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,200
day jobs they are going to a cinema

1381
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:36,119
they're just trying to relax next to

1382
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,740
their their partner on a couch watching

1383
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:39,599
a film and you know what sometimes they

1384
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:41,160
get pissed off and that's not always an

1385
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,339
excuse but I I would be the same but I

1386
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:45,599
think sometimes people just have to be

1387
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,099
like you know what they have a life

1388
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,960
outside of this you know it's not

1389
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,640
they're not sitting with a phone in

1390
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,619
front of them all day going what's the

1391
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:54,720
next comment I'm going to reply to

1392
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:56,460
because like I've said for people people

1393
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,140
message me and oh my God I can't believe

1394
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,480
you're applied and it's like me I'm in

1395
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:02,280
Tesco shopping pushing a trolley don't

1396
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:03,480
worry it's like I'm just texting you

1397
00:52:09,049 --> 00:52:05,940
back it's fine if I I I'm always happy

1398
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:09,059
to like you know can I um can I admit

1399
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,460
something on air I'm gonna do it on the

1400
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,980
toilet don't you I I haven't responding

1401
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,800
to some of you on the toilet and I know

1402
00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:19,200
the three of you have as well don't deny

1403
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:21,140
it I know a lot of you

1404
00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:22,920
come on

1405
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:25,260
both of you probably read these UFO

1406
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,980
stories of 2022 while on the toilet

1407
00:52:38,589 --> 00:52:31,140
let's let's just be real on your Kindle

1408
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,930
why does that not symbolize me uh it's

1409
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,920
the perfect place my book is good

1410
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:45,839
reading material in there too

1411
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,900
um thank you Kara for the Super Chat uh

1412
00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:49,920
thank you to all guests for your

1413
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:51,740
incredible work in this field thank you

1414
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,900
uh and paranormal pixie Lara one of our

1415
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:56,819
biggest supporters as always for all of

1416
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:58,440
us here tonight thank you for all the

1417
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:00,300
hard work and dedication thank you thank

1418
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,800
you to you guys again all your super

1419
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,359
chats are going to a wonderful

1420
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:05,280
organization tonight the women's Refugee

1421
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,140
commission so thank you

1422
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,540
um all right guys Travis Taylor boom

1423
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,359
let's move on to a journalist who I

1424
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,460
think doesn't get enough credit and had

1425
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,000
one of the coolest stories of the year

1426
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,920
um we all know about Dynamics we know

1427
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:22,079
about the Tic Tac event but there were

1428
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,040
other nuclear here super carriers that

1429
00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:28,319
had similar UFO events

1430
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:30,660
um as well so this story came out from

1431
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:33,540
Dave Beatty over at the debrief on July

1432
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:37,020
6. the USS Ronald Reagan UAP sightings

1433
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,960
in 2004 Sailors aboard the U.S Ronald

1434
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,180
Reagan USS Ronald Reagan encountered

1435
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,760
mysterious orb-shaped flying objects off

1436
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,800
the eastern coast of the U.S this was

1437
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,780
not the same Tic Tac object made famous

1438
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:50,940
according to Witnesses who were on the

1439
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:53,460
Ronald Reagan are roughly 20 to 40 foot

1440
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:56,220
wide luminous round object suddenly

1441
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:57,780
showed up and began to hover over the

1442
00:54:02,089 --> 00:54:00,420
ship's Flight Deck Sailors who witnessed

1443
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:02,099
this said that their Naval Commander

1444
00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:04,680
seemed disinterested that a large

1445
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,079
glowing orb was reported flying over the

1446
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:09,240
ship and continued normal operations

1447
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:11,579
without ordering any defensive actions

1448
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:13,319
be taken

1449
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:17,520
um Patrick Gokey is a Navy vet and he

1450
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,260
was on Lookout that night and he

1451
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,540
observed the UFO on two occasions and

1452
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,880
spoke to Dave Beatty about this I'm

1453
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,680
going to play a brief clip from that so

1454
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:27,960
we kind of get some context for this and

1455
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,220
then get your guys thoughts on the other

1456
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,960
side of just all these other events that

1457
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:32,400
have happened with the Navy it's crazy

1458
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:35,400
how many there actually are so let me go

1459
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:37,020
ahead and play that really quick for you

1460
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:39,059
guys well um if you could just give me a

1461
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,380
play-by-play

1462
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:42,240
um maybe in the in your best

1463
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:44,040
recollection of what actually happened

1464
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:46,680
during this watch and I'll just let you

1465
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:49,500
tell that story absolutely

1466
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,180
um so the first thing I remember was

1467
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,940
standing on starboard forward watch

1468
00:54:58,849 --> 00:54:55,920
um that's basically we're looking out

1469
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,859
for any boats or planes anything that we

1470
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,960
can tell the uh the rest of the crew

1471
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,760
about that we got to look out for

1472
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,460
um so it was very important to call out

1473
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:07,380
everything that we see um even if you

1474
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,700
think it doesn't make a difference it's

1475
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:10,140
just something to floating in the water

1476
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:11,400
you still call it out because you don't

1477
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:13,859
know what it is so

1478
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,980
so first I was kind of it almost felt

1479
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,960
like the sun was Rising a little bit I

1480
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:20,880
just saw this Orange

1481
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,640
bright orange ball it was

1482
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:26,099
wavy that somehow still solid like a

1483
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:29,460
plasma almost and it just appeared over

1484
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,520
the flight deck maybe 200 feet off the

1485
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,079
flight deck

1486
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,240
um it sat there for about 30 seconds I

1487
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:38,579
remember calling it in I Didn't I don't

1488
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:41,220
know what my exact wording was

1489
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:42,900
um everybody on the bridge would have

1490
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,280
been able to see would have been able to

1491
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:46,500
see it but it was this floating orange

1492
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:50,160
ball and it sat there for 30 seconds

1493
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,380
um it didn't seem to move but it all we

1494
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:54,240
were moving during flight UPS

1495
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:55,800
um and it seemed to stay with us but

1496
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,180
without any movement that you could

1497
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:59,040
discern

1498
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,359
um

1499
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,579
after that it just did three half

1500
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:05,280
circles just one two three and it was

1501
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:07,859
gone I mean just in the blink of an eye

1502
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,960
um it was gone and so that was pretty

1503
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,000
weird and you know reported it other

1504
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:14,880
people had reported it uh maybe half

1505
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:17,099
hour hour later I've rotated watch

1506
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,260
stations and I was on the fan tail by

1507
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:20,640
myself

1508
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:23,099
um and the same thing it came back by us

1509
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:25,319
on the fan tail and it hovered you know

1510
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:27,900
maybe 100 or 200 feet in the air in the

1511
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:28,980
same you know maybe the same distance

1512
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:32,160
behind it did three half circles and it

1513
00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:33,540
took off

1514
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:35,579
um and those that was the two times that

1515
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:42,349
so that ain't no bokeh I'm sorry that

1516
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:45,420
ain't no pizza slice in the sky

1517
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:47,880
um green pizza slice like that thing was

1518
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,480
there and um it's crazy and you know

1519
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:53,700
BD's been working on this story for a

1520
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,099
long time he's tracked down so many

1521
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,980
other Witnesses from the ships uh so I

1522
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:00,540
know he's still working on this he's got

1523
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:02,760
another witness he told me earlier today

1524
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,680
coming forward within the next couple

1525
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:06,900
weeks with more giving us more context

1526
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,300
to all of this so um yeah I think it's

1527
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:11,040
pretty awesome do you guys have anything

1528
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:13,260
you want to add to this story I think it

1529
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:15,420
really went under the radar uh no pun

1530
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,440
intended

1531
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,480
I think the best thing for me was that

1532
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,160
Dave initially came out with a story

1533
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:22,079
with his witness but he instantly did

1534
00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:23,940
what Dave does really well and puts out

1535
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,859
those Recreation videos based on the

1536
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:28,200
witness testimony that suddenly adds a

1537
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:29,579
lot of visual interpretation and

1538
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:31,740
credibility to what you you're reading

1539
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:34,500
from the witness testimony and there was

1540
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,059
you know three Witnesses and you hear

1541
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,420
about this gaseous ball of light with

1542
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,760
fuzzy edges hovering a hundred feet off

1543
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,400
off the deck you've got three Sailors

1544
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:45,839
looking at it from multiple Vantage

1545
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,300
points but then there's that one bit of

1546
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,099
testimony where it does those half

1547
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,839
circles before shooting off which we

1548
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,000
just saw in the recreation I mean that

1549
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,160
changes everything it can't then just be

1550
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:58,200
explained away as something you know

1551
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,380
that prosaic maybe let's say so that

1552
00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:02,880
really stood out to me I think it was

1553
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:04,800
great that Dave did all that and he he

1554
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:06,180
did it all in a really short amount of

1555
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,800
time it's obvious that he'd been working

1556
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,300
on this for some time before he

1557
00:58:13,849 --> 00:58:11,339
announced it and I like the way that

1558
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:13,859
cases are put out with multiple data

1559
00:58:19,549 --> 00:58:16,200
points and and testimony in one go for

1560
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,559
his all to absorb so kudos to Dave

1561
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,140
absolutely uh neurostream thank you for

1562
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:23,760
the super sticker once again going to

1563
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:25,980
the women's Refugee commission we really

1564
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,619
appreciate it uh Christy Andy any

1565
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:30,300
thoughts on this story

1566
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,460
yeah I like the idea like I think it was

1567
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:34,319
one of the other Witnesses I have his

1568
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:37,619
name here it's uh Carl Osaka I don't

1569
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,940
think he's saying his name right I'm

1570
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:40,500
totally butchering that last name

1571
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:43,020
pronunciation but he referenced it as

1572
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:45,000
like a burning bush like from the book

1573
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:47,640
called reference when he said that uh

1574
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:48,900
which I thought was really interesting

1575
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,760
too and then yeah and said that nobody

1576
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:52,559
like gave a crap like a quote here I

1577
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:54,359
wrote down was

1578
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:56,700
um they said I'm pretty sure it was

1579
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,160
there and then they say and they were

1580
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:01,200
like I don't know what that is I don't

1581
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:03,480
care you know what I mean and like they

1582
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:05,339
have an attitude like I'm going to like

1583
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,619
it says sorry uh go to my rack I don't

1584
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:09,660
care I don't even it doesn't even bother

1585
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,420
me about this [\h__\h] like that's what

1586
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:14,160
their head sorry I killed that long too

1587
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:16,260
it's being sick today

1588
00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:18,180
um you know long story short in the end

1589
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:20,520
of it no one cared the commanders and

1590
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:22,619
their higher superiors did not care and

1591
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,880
they were watching it in front of them

1592
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,099
or just like no it's not of interest to

1593
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,079
us and I think that's really interesting

1594
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:29,520
I think that's a really big point to the

1595
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:32,339
story that no one really wanted to

1596
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,680
report it nobody really had a thought of

1597
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:36,599
it and just kind of let it happen and to

1598
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,740
me that's interesting I had a couple

1599
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,119
questions in my mind were brought up

1600
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,520
where like why and I guess part of it is

1601
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,680
we just don't want to deal with it uh

1602
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,720
have you seen this before you know is

1603
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:47,040
this just something normal to you

1604
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:48,299
because that's kind of what people would

1605
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:50,099
do when it's just a regular it's you

1606
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:51,299
know it's something that's happening all

1607
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:53,640
the time so there's a few things that I

1608
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,480
thought of but I thought it was

1609
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:55,920
interesting yeah that they just didn't

1610
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:57,480
care and they're probably like we just

1611
01:00:01,130 --> 00:59:58,859
don't want to deal with this let's be

1612
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:01,140
honest the other part too is uh Patrick

1613
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,720
Gokey the last person you said

1614
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,520
um one of somebody said to him too and

1615
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,319
this is quoted in the article from Dave

1616
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:08,880
Beatty where it says we're in the

1617
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:11,160
Bermuda Triangle and I thought that was

1618
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:12,359
really interesting and one of those

1619
01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:13,799
lines that's pulled from the article

1620
01:00:18,049 --> 01:00:15,720
when I read it I didn't even catch that

1621
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:18,059
holy [\h__\h] yeah yeah it's in like I think

1622
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:19,799
it's in the middle of it uh but well

1623
01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:21,180
done David like the reporting is

1624
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,859
fabulous and thank you you know on

1625
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:24,480
behalf of the debrief for doing that but

1626
01:00:28,010 --> 01:00:26,220
there's some really really interesting

1627
01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:28,020
points in there and yeah the four

1628
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,299
Witnesses but those two first Witnesses

1629
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:33,000
uh in the article you can read uh are

1630
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:34,500
pretty interesting and pretty compelling

1631
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:35,640
yeah

1632
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:39,599
anything to add brother

1633
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:42,059
yeah I always try and look at different

1634
01:00:46,930 --> 01:00:44,460
viewpoints from all these cases so one

1635
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:46,940
is it's something

1636
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:50,220
non-human which would be wow okay but we

1637
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:52,200
we never get the data from it do it to

1638
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,940
show that conclusively one bit or

1639
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,859
another what we get is some incredible

1640
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:57,900
testimony and then that's up to you the

1641
01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:00,299
individual like me Chris if any writing

1642
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,240
anyone else out there to look and go how

1643
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,559
much weight do you put behind the

1644
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,260
testimony to say you know they saw this

1645
01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:10,319
that's the story it's incredible we've

1646
01:01:14,270 --> 01:01:12,119
all got our own sightings and and I know

1647
01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:14,280
what I saw back in back in the day and

1648
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:16,380
stuff so you know you can't convince

1649
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,819
anyone of that

1650
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:19,920
I think one thing I do think though is

1651
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,020
in writing you mentioned the UAP report

1652
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:24,480
that came out with the blacked out

1653
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:27,000
section the redacted section of the

1654
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,160
shapes I reckon that's redacted because

1655
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:30,720
a lot of those shapes are probably the

1656
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,940
shapes of adversarial drones like you

1657
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:35,040
see not all of them though I think

1658
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:37,140
you've got shapes in there of craft that

1659
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:39,780
they know aren't China Russia you know

1660
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:42,540
in other and that's probably the mix and

1661
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:44,339
I think we're probably a really delicate

1662
01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:47,599
technological place where

1663
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:50,099
they probably struggle sometimes and

1664
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,020
this is purely from a place of guessing

1665
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:53,760
and not being informed right I'm just

1666
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:55,020
going to speculate as a fan of the

1667
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,520
subject now

1668
01:02:00,890 --> 01:01:58,319
they're probably in a really delicate

1669
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:00,900
technological place where what is an

1670
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:03,960
actual UAP and and what is just some

1671
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:06,780
really cool Tech that China has or maybe

1672
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:09,180
Russia or you know the us because

1673
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,740
they've no doubt got some incredible

1674
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,680
stuff and do they even go as far that if

1675
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:15,839
they're being buzzed by true anomalous

1676
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:17,700
objects that are from a non-human

1677
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,900
intelligence

1678
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:21,119
do they try and recreate that in their

1679
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,540
own drone technology to then mess about

1680
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:26,579
with because if I'm the US and we've got

1681
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,260
these things buzzing us but we know what

1682
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:30,540
has happened to China too then you know

1683
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,520
what I'll create some kind of projection

1684
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:34,799
that goes around the Drone that we've

1685
01:02:38,089 --> 01:02:36,599
got this is really cool not your typical

1686
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:38,099
commercial drone you know you're talking

1687
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:40,200
technology 30 years ahead of what we've

1688
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:43,619
got now and we fly out over a Navy

1689
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:46,140
um thanks Chris we fly out over a Navy

1690
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:49,859
carrier group and we recreate what would

1691
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:53,040
happen when we get buzzed by actual UFOs

1692
01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:55,260
and these balls of light and fast

1693
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:57,720
movements fast Paces fast-paced out at

1694
01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:00,540
Sea you know and the testimony is one

1695
01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:02,339
thing and maybe the data is incredible

1696
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,140
but I reckon they can use that kind of

1697
01:03:11,329 --> 01:03:09,599
fill filling each other and play on

1698
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,339
their mind off we're going to buzz your

1699
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,720
Navy Fleet and what you're going to do

1700
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:14,640
about it because we hear about Avalon

1701
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,500
doing the podcast about dark mode and

1702
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,900
going dark and you don't want to give

1703
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,119
away any data you want to just go dark

1704
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:24,240
shut down and you collect data back on

1705
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:26,460
what's observing you and then they have

1706
01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:29,339
to decide is this truly anomalous or is

1707
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,099
this China or Russia spying on us with

1708
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:33,599
technology that we know we've actually

1709
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:35,400
got to spy on them to

1710
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:37,680
and that that always interests me and

1711
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,240
again it's still fascinating and people

1712
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:41,700
shouldn't be down-hearted to think oh a

1713
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:43,799
lot of these events are probably human

1714
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,420
drones

1715
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:47,280
we're ready to get that Tech from

1716
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:49,140
where's the leaping technology came from

1717
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:51,180
you know and also what are we mimicking

1718
01:03:55,370 --> 01:03:53,700
and recreating that

1719
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:55,380
we don't know what to do when we come

1720
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:58,740
into Canal encounter it as well so

1721
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:02,160
um I get when we hear about this report

1722
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:03,839
someone asked in the chat earlier on

1723
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:05,460
when will the reporter come out I'll

1724
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,500
guess Friday the 13th of January sounds

1725
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:09,599
like a good day right when that comes

1726
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,880
out it's going to have 366 cases

1727
01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:14,160
probably in it we've heard

1728
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:16,380
I reckon even if half of those are

1729
01:04:20,329 --> 01:04:18,420
solved there'll be some really cool Tech

1730
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:20,339
within that to look at and dissect and

1731
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,020
we won't even get to see the data for it

1732
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:24,059
but then it's the other half that aren't

1733
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:26,579
that you're like Ah that's the UFO stuff

1734
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,740
that we really like so yeah I think

1735
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:30,240
there's a lot to find really interesting

1736
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,619
in the fact that a lot of this stuff is

1737
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:34,079
human Tech that we can't identify

1738
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:36,540
while even still having the UFO stuff to

1739
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:39,059
go after as well one thing I'll just

1740
01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:45,890
one thing you can throw out there

1741
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:48,059
quickly is that the the orange plasma

1742
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:50,520
type orbs are are really regularly

1743
01:04:54,589 --> 01:04:52,260
associated with Earth lights and they

1744
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,599
have been for for decades now and this

1745
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:56,400
is still a phenomena that we know very

1746
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:58,920
little about scientifically

1747
01:05:03,049 --> 01:05:00,780
um are they known to appear over the

1748
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:03,059
ocean well no but the thing is that

1749
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:04,380
they're not they're not much is known

1750
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:06,839
about them above Earth either above the

1751
01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:09,240
ground so you know you can throw in

1752
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:10,980
other Alternatives that don't

1753
01:05:16,010 --> 01:05:13,319
necessarily Point towards non-human

1754
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:16,020
intelligence or adversarial technology

1755
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,420
it could be something else as well

1756
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:20,160
I don't know how deep the ocean was

1757
01:05:24,109 --> 01:05:22,200
what's the geographical makeup and

1758
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,119
metallically of the ground underneath

1759
01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:26,940
the ocean so I I still like to kind of

1760
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,740
consider those kind of things and that's

1761
01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:30,000
only because that's the kind of thing

1762
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:31,859
I've studied in the last few well the

1763
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:34,559
last year let's say so it begs a lot of

1764
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:36,660
questions and I'm very I've learned to

1765
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:38,819
become very open to asking the kind of

1766
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:41,940
prosaic questions way before going to

1767
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:42,900
that

1768
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:46,680
final thing but yeah who knows

1769
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:49,079
good little tease for a project you got

1770
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:50,700
coming up there mine phenomenology

1771
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,880
season two guys be on the lookout very

1772
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:55,680
soon um Chrissy did you want to add

1773
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:57,180
anything to that before we move to the

1774
01:06:01,069 --> 01:05:58,980
next I think just in that case you know

1775
01:06:02,690 --> 01:06:01,079
they were working 16 hours and so they

1776
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:02,700
were told not to report anything unless

1777
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,260
it was life-threatening and then they

1778
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,839
would go then they would go by priority

1779
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:08,640
right so I think that's interesting that

1780
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:10,740
that wasn't maybe even considered like

1781
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:14,400
life-threatening or a priority but and

1782
01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:16,500
to me I would think that would be but to

1783
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:19,140
Andy's point I really do agree when we

1784
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:20,579
look at Tech and we it's going to be

1785
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:22,680
very interesting report because it is

1786
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:24,839
Tech that's going to be spoken about and

1787
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,819
what that Tech looks like and obviously

1788
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:28,079
in the New York Times piece I forget

1789
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:30,780
Julian's last name uh the writer kind of

1790
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,700
alluded to that mainly saying it was

1791
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,520
Chinese and and that you know and kind

1792
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:37,440
of just subtly dropped that which I

1793
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:39,299
think is very very interesting but at

1794
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:41,280
the end of the article he says well you

1795
01:06:44,029 --> 01:06:42,420
know but there's still obviously some

1796
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,039
they're anomalous and I think that's

1797
01:06:47,569 --> 01:06:46,380
what we all care about and I really do I

1798
01:06:49,069 --> 01:06:47,579
think next year is going to be very

1799
01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:49,079
interesting to learn what we learn about

1800
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:51,720
for an adversary Tech the thing I'm

1801
01:06:56,089 --> 01:06:55,020
excited about that but I'm curious to

1802
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,099
see what they're going to say because

1803
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,140
obviously nobody wants to be excited for

1804
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,539
foreign Tech being better than any North

1805
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:03,119
American Tech yeah yeah

1806
01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:06,900
yeah I'm like so but I am

1807
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:10,380
totally and I am I am I'm not gonna say

1808
01:07:14,809 --> 01:07:12,839
excited but I'm very curious and I would

1809
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,819
like to know what that Tech is that's

1810
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:17,280
for sure but I will see what we get and

1811
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,480
I think Andy's right we're not going to

1812
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,640
get a breakdown of that but at some

1813
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:23,039
point we can push for that too right see

1814
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:25,079
just on on Chrissy's point about why

1815
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,460
they wouldn't find it life-threatening

1816
01:07:30,589 --> 01:07:28,799
do you wonder potentially that the

1817
01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:30,599
higher ranking officials that go out and

1818
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,180
are in charge of nuclear carrier fleets

1819
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:34,799
going across the ocean

1820
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:36,780
no in advance because they're either

1821
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:39,720
briefed or from experience you may come

1822
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:41,579
across this because you are carrying

1823
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:43,380
this amount of nuclear material in the

1824
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,660
form of fuel or weaponry and has

1825
01:07:50,750 --> 01:07:48,000
happened before if you come across X Y

1826
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:50,760
or Z just ignore it and keep going

1827
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:52,740
and that's why you know when it happens

1828
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:54,900
you know do you know what yep move on

1829
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,460
exactly and that's why I was wondering

1830
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:58,380
so many questions were that's one of

1831
01:08:02,089 --> 01:08:00,180
them was like do you know something like

1832
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,099
do you know what this is because you're

1833
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:03,599
obviously acting like it doesn't matter

1834
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,180
so for sure that could it does make

1835
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,160
sense that does a line good point yeah

1836
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,319
and you know the culture has to change

1837
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:13,200
you know Andre Carson said that

1838
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,299
um so that could be it too like finally

1839
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:18,239
they're like ah God we have to like we

1840
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:20,520
know now they can get in trouble if they

1841
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:22,380
don't report things which is awesome

1842
01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:25,679
like I think okay 100 I should have said

1843
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,660
that this is the point of do we need the

1844
01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:29,640
reports what we need is when these

1845
01:08:33,950 --> 01:08:31,799
reports come out not for people to go or

1846
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,960
there's 300 reports and half of them are

1847
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:36,000
human Tech what we need is actually does

1848
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:37,440
eight thousand there's ten thousand

1849
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:40,500
reports and seven thousand of them are

1850
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:42,839
drones balloons Batman balloons or

1851
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:45,900
seagulls that's fine so here's the 3 000

1852
01:08:50,269 --> 01:08:48,839
or even the 20 that are genuinely truly

1853
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:50,279
anomalous we don't know what the hell

1854
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:52,500
these are this is what we fund this is

1855
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:54,299
what we study this is what we've got

1856
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,279
footage of this is the stuff that we

1857
01:09:00,890 --> 01:08:58,560
know isn't them and we know it's not as

1858
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:00,900
that's the really interesting stuff and

1859
01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:03,000
then Jillian Barnes can have his New

1860
01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:06,020
York Times article and talk about

1861
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:10,259
8467 Airborne trash incidents but then

1862
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:12,060
at the end you'll still have to say yeah

1863
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:13,500
but there was five that they probably

1864
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:16,620
think is alien so you know

1865
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:19,140
yeah for sure man I agree with you and

1866
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,779
let me put this up on the on on here

1867
01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:23,460
quick I want to get this in this is

1868
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:25,620
great 2023 may very well be the year

1869
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:27,239
sorry Andy covering your face there

1870
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,160
buddy um the year we learn about a wide

1871
01:09:34,130 --> 01:09:31,199
range of human-made electric propulsion

1872
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:34,140
Technologies coming from the science the

1873
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:35,699
head science writer at the debrief

1874
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:37,620
Christopher plane I'm excited one of the

1875
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:39,060
best what else did we have here he's

1876
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,560
pulling all these words that I have no

1877
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:42,960
idea what they mean poison drives em

1878
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:47,160
drives poison uh mhd propulsion Horizon

1879
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:50,160
Drive cement okay so I I did misread it

1880
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:52,739
or you misspelled it there we go um this

1881
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:54,179
is another big one I didn't even think

1882
01:09:58,130 --> 01:09:56,340
of red panda koala says I forgot about

1883
01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:58,140
pedestrian joining Biden Administration

1884
01:10:01,610 --> 01:10:00,360
that might turn up some stuff too I I

1885
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:01,620
didn't even think about that yeah I

1886
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:03,719
forgot that that had happened um and no

1887
01:10:07,729 --> 01:10:05,160
guys we will not be talking about the

1888
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:07,739
Barnes article tonight uh I am not

1889
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:10,020
promoting that thing to save my life but

1890
01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:12,179
uh yeah yeah

1891
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:14,699
um we uh oh there he is okay um we're

1892
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,239
moving on to our next story and I'm glad

1893
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:20,159
he came back at the very right moment

1894
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:22,260
and I'm glad we still have Andy here as

1895
01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:23,760
our resident

1896
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:26,340
um not resident but our

1897
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:29,580
how would you say it um born and raised

1898
01:10:33,850 --> 01:10:32,239
Scottish person we have

1899
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:33,860
native

1900
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:40,080
of it I'm like resident that's me

1901
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:43,679
um we have the reveal of the Calvin UFO

1902
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:45,960
photo probably one of the biggest

1903
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:48,300
stories of the year when I put out a

1904
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,820
tweet about guys tell me what your what

1905
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:53,520
stories really kind of broke UFO Twitter

1906
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:56,280
and went mainstream this was one of them

1907
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,460
and this was uh you know in tandem with

1908
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:01,199
a few other groups but I'm going to go

1909
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:03,179
on the record and say primarily broken

1910
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:07,920
by UAP media UK and um by the gentleman

1911
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:11,460
you see down there Dr David Clark and Mr

1912
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:15,420
Vinnie Adams so let's let's get into it

1913
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:18,840
I have Vinnie some of the audio of uh

1914
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,600
the gentleman who brought this this uh

1915
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:23,280
this photo forward then I'm going to

1916
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,560
play in just a second here but paint the

1917
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:27,360
picture for us man how this all went

1918
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:29,880
down a photo that we thought we'd never

1919
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,100
see the light of day 30 something years

1920
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:34,800
later it's finally here the debates have

1921
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:36,780
debates have waged on about what it is

1922
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,520
but

1923
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:41,040
of a UFO possibly ever taken so tell us

1924
01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,719
about this story man how did this come

1925
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:45,480
to be and uh yeah lay the groundwork for

1926
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:46,860
us if no money

1927
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,540
yeah I think what's really important is

1928
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,159
let's forget about what people think of

1929
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,800
the actual photograph itself it's how it

1930
01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:55,199
came to be into the in the public domain

1931
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,480
and you know I've got to give all the

1932
01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,760
credit to Dr David Clark he is an

1933
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:01,980
absolute Legend he is one of the best

1934
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:04,560
investigative journalists I've ever come

1935
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:07,320
across and I've come across a lot that

1936
01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:10,260
this is a case that he's been interested

1937
01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:13,080
in since uh well for about 15 years now

1938
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:17,219
when he first uncovered the uh condyn

1939
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,020
report he was the the guy responsible

1940
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,640
for bringing that to the public domain

1941
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:22,860
and the Calvin

1942
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,659
um incident was mentioned very briefly

1943
01:12:28,130 --> 01:12:26,640
in the condyme report so for him it

1944
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,140
sparked

1945
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,140
um an interest that never really uh

1946
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,360
feigned or wavered

1947
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:35,520
and you know he spent many years trying

1948
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:37,860
to track down people involved and last

1949
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:40,140
year he just got a a good break where he

1950
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,780
found the former RAF press officer that

1951
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:45,600
we see in the image there Craig Lindsay

1952
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:49,020
who was a very tough nut to crack he was

1953
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:51,480
uh didn't want to be that forthcoming

1954
01:12:54,130 --> 01:12:53,219
with the information but eventually

1955
01:12:57,490 --> 01:12:54,140
David

1956
01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:57,500
gained his trust and initially

1957
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,360
David was sent a photocopy of the image

1958
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:02,159
that you see on screen there and we

1959
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:03,900
thought that that was all we were going

1960
01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:05,400
to get we thought that's all that Craig

1961
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:06,840
had

1962
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,060
um but for many months after that

1963
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:11,699
conversations were had with Craig and it

1964
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:13,260
turned out that he had

1965
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:16,199
the original copy printed off from the

1966
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:17,760
Scottish Daily Record where the images

1967
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:21,060
and the negatives were first sent to

1968
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:22,920
um and again even after that David

1969
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:25,020
visited Scotland

1970
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:27,960
viewed the image was not allowed within

1971
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:30,300
a good 10 feet of the image it was

1972
01:13:36,290 --> 01:13:33,199
allowed to photograph it from a distance

1973
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:36,300
there was so much of that going on for

1974
01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:37,980
months and months and months it was

1975
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:40,260
really sensitive Craig you know he's

1976
01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:43,380
mid-80s he doesn't want any any come

1977
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:45,960
back on him from the public domain from

1978
01:13:50,209 --> 01:13:47,699
the media but also from the ministry of

1979
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:50,219
defense and and the RAF you know so it

1980
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,020
was a very sensitive case for many many

1981
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,000
months you know I met David on many

1982
01:13:57,890 --> 01:13:56,400
occasions I'm lucky that David lives a

1983
01:14:01,610 --> 01:13:57,900
mile down the road so we meet in the

1984
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:01,620
local pub down here and spend hours just

1985
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:03,300
saying how do we move forward with this

1986
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:05,100
and that and every step of the way

1987
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:06,780
through this is It's kind of what we did

1988
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:09,480
with the incredible help of uh two

1989
01:14:14,510 --> 01:14:12,540
incredible researchers Joel Stevens and

1990
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:14,520
Matthew wilsley

1991
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:16,140
um so yeah the four of us kind of

1992
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,140
managed to get to the point where

1993
01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:21,540
Craig agreed to hand the photograph over

1994
01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:24,420
to David only on the condition that it

1995
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,820
be donated to the archives of Sheffield

1996
01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:28,860
Hallam University where David is a

1997
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,860
associate professor and that's where it

1998
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:33,360
now resides and you know I could talk

1999
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,860
about this for hours but I guess that's

2000
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:37,520
the gist of it you know

2001
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,140
it just shows citizen research and

2002
01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:42,659
citizen dedication to the UFO subject

2003
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,900
can be done and it can bring results yep

2004
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:48,000
and look at what happens like you guys

2005
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:50,280
break the story and then major news

2006
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,400
outlets pick it up after you and we're

2007
01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:55,520
seeing that a lot in the UFO World

2008
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,140
citizen journalism is bringing forward

2009
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,480
some of the biggest stories and then the

2010
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:03,360
mainstream picks it up and just copy and

2011
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,640
paste which is where we're at and for it

2012
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:08,159
unfortunately what journalism uh in the

2013
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:10,140
mainstream a lot it's lazy they don't

2014
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:12,300
put the legwork in and it is there's

2015
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,219
exceptions you've got people like Gotti

2016
01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:16,320
Schwartz and on in in individuals like

2017
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:18,540
Leslie Kane and stuff like that Ralph

2018
01:15:23,810 --> 01:15:20,760
Blumenthal who do the work but again

2019
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,820
like the reason that other mainstream

2020
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:25,920
media picked up on this story and

2021
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:29,159
YouTubers I I typed in Calvin UFO photo

2022
01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:32,219
released on YouTube oh my God like

2023
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,739
YouTubers were having a field day with

2024
01:15:39,290 --> 01:15:37,199
this story yeah in a good way in a very

2025
01:15:40,189 --> 01:15:39,300
good way um so I thought that was pretty

2026
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,199
cool

2027
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,480
um I've got some of the audio of Craig

2028
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,880
Lindsay talking about the event I think

2029
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:46,920
you know let's paint a picture a little

2030
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:48,900
of what the Calvin UFO incident actually

2031
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,320
was uh and what we're seeing in the

2032
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:53,520
photo so I'm gonna go ahead and play

2033
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:55,500
that clip really quick get your thoughts

2034
01:15:58,610 --> 01:15:57,000
on the other side guys and then we'll

2035
01:16:01,090 --> 01:15:58,620
move on quickly

2036
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,100
um our next story

2037
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:03,719
uh what do you call it holiday workers

2038
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:06,179
at the [\h__\h] follow us mainly washing

2039
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:09,179
dishes uh and for pocket money I'm not

2040
01:16:14,689 --> 01:16:12,659
as fun as the trip out that night was uh

2041
01:16:17,209 --> 01:16:14,699
they bought the car

2042
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:17,219
the one

2043
01:16:21,229 --> 01:16:19,800
what he couldn't I can't remember no

2044
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,239
whether he said it was the longest I

2045
01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:23,520
don't think it was terribly far but the

2046
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:25,320
bits that I do remember was they went

2047
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,520
through a wood

2048
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,320
came to the edge of it climbed the

2049
01:16:32,410 --> 01:16:30,239
barbed wire over the barbed wire fence

2050
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:32,420
started to walk over

2051
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,020
land

2052
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:36,239
and then realized there was something in

2053
01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:40,560
the air above them or near to them

2054
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,280
only thought [\h__\h] this is I don't like

2055
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:47,280
the look of this thumbnail run by

2056
01:16:53,169 --> 01:16:51,120
tumbled over the fence and hid in bushes

2057
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:53,179
or behind trees or something in the wood

2058
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:56,040
and sat and looked at this thing which

2059
01:17:01,610 --> 01:16:59,280
just simply sat in the sky and

2060
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,620
um I invited do you know how big it was

2061
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:03,360
no idea how big it was we didn't know

2062
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:05,340
whether it was close to us how far away

2063
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:07,500
it was or anything

2064
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:11,100
but what was it after he reckoned two

2065
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:14,820
three minutes didn't time it they had

2066
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:18,420
the sound of a jet aircraft

2067
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:24,890
and

2068
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:27,960
a minute or two later they had the jet

2069
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:31,860
again and it came back and it circled

2070
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:33,420
get this right

2071
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:40,250
three maybe four times

2072
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:42,600
and then headed off back on its original

2073
01:17:47,209 --> 01:17:44,820
chorus which suggests the pilot must

2074
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:47,219
have seen the same thing there so that

2075
01:17:51,649 --> 01:17:49,980
he must have seen something and they

2076
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,659
waited another minute or two wondering

2077
01:17:57,229 --> 01:17:53,120
what the hell to do

2078
01:17:58,729 --> 01:17:57,239
and at that point the at some point in

2079
01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:58,739
this thing they've sort of stuck the

2080
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,260
camera out behind wherever it was they

2081
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:04,080
were hiding shot off it turned out to be

2082
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,340
six frames

2083
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:07,679
and um

2084
01:18:13,070 --> 01:18:10,800
the thing started to move uh upwards

2085
01:18:16,250 --> 01:18:13,080
slowly and then

2086
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:16,260
just shot vertically upwards

2087
01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:19,080
and disappeared you know way way up in

2088
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:22,140
the sky and the bit that I very clearly

2089
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,640
remember was and I said well Potter

2090
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:26,400
anointed at me and he said it didn't

2091
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:27,900
make any noise

2092
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:29,880
I said what do you mean didn't make any

2093
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:33,300
it was silent no noise no noise at all

2094
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,980
nothing

2095
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:36,719
and that was the end of the conversation

2096
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:39,300
so I sat down I typed out

2097
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:41,820
the basics of it put in the fax machine

2098
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:48,350
I love this case I love it so much

2099
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:50,340
um I suppose one thing I can't I can

2100
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:51,659
give you a kind of a little mini

2101
01:18:56,209 --> 01:18:54,300
exclusive is that we didn't rest on our

2102
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,219
Laurels when the photo is released we've

2103
01:19:01,070 --> 01:18:58,860
con we've been at this case non-stop

2104
01:19:03,770 --> 01:19:01,080
ever since trying to track down either

2105
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:03,780
the the two you know the witnesses the

2106
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:07,320
pilots anyone involved and it's we've

2107
01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:09,300
worked our butts off to the point where

2108
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,400
we think we know who the Witnesses were

2109
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:13,440
we've spoken to people who worked with

2110
01:19:17,450 --> 01:19:15,179
them at the time who saw the aftermath

2111
01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:17,460
of what happened we've spoken to defense

2112
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:20,280
intelligence agents off the Record who

2113
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:22,860
obviously can't come forward for obvious

2114
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:25,800
reasons who knew a lot about this and so

2115
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:28,560
we are kind of still really deep in the

2116
01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:31,380
process of giving an update on the story

2117
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:34,739
which we're hoping to do in early 2023

2118
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:37,500
but it has literally been the work that

2119
01:19:41,930 --> 01:19:39,060
it came that went into putting the photo

2120
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,940
out has continued right up until today

2121
01:19:45,229 --> 01:19:43,739
with the amount of work that we're doing

2122
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:45,239
and I just wanted people to know that

2123
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:46,440
we're not sitting back and saying well

2124
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:48,600
here's the photo that's it job done it's

2125
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:52,199
not the case oh dude that's huge if we

2126
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,600
could hear from the witnesses I mean

2127
01:19:59,630 --> 01:19:57,360
holy hell the puzzle continues to be put

2128
01:20:01,850 --> 01:19:59,640
together on one of the most intriguing

2129
01:20:05,709 --> 01:20:01,860
cases out of Scotland out of the entire

2130
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:05,719
UK in my opinion um one

2131
01:20:11,149 --> 01:20:08,520
special thing here Joshua thank you so

2132
01:20:13,130 --> 01:20:11,159
much buddy for 40 Super Chat kicking it

2133
01:20:14,649 --> 01:20:13,140
for the show just for Chrissy's hat I

2134
01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:14,659
love that thank you

2135
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:18,120
Jazz happy holidays buddy

2136
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:21,420
um uh let's get your thoughts guys

2137
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:23,400
um Andy what do you think man what do

2138
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:26,520
you think of the Calvin case and um you

2139
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:28,739
know I know a lot of people say what you

2140
01:20:32,990 --> 01:20:30,300
will about Nick Pope but he's been

2141
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:33,000
pretty vocal on this kind of um took

2142
01:20:37,130 --> 01:20:35,580
credit when this story came out and

2143
01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:37,140
tried to remind the world of his

2144
01:20:42,050 --> 01:20:39,719
involvement with this but um he never

2145
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:42,060
produced that photo I'll tell you that

2146
01:20:45,649 --> 01:20:44,520
much but uh sending love to you Nick if

2147
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:45,659
you're watching this

2148
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:48,120
um wow what a weird diatribe Andy what

2149
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:50,460
do you think of Calvin

2150
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,340
that was kind of what I was was wanted

2151
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:54,960
to see growing up

2152
01:20:59,149 --> 01:20:56,820
um the actual photo and it was nice to

2153
01:21:01,610 --> 01:20:59,159
see the photograph I think it's as good

2154
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:01,620
as quality as we're going to get it was

2155
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:03,780
a little bit in a way

2156
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:05,820
or like revealing the kind of magicians

2157
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:07,500
how they do that trick where you want to

2158
01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:09,900
know but then when you see it it's not

2159
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:11,580
disappointance the wrong words but you

2160
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:13,020
know now you've seen it it's like ah a

2161
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:14,340
little bit of mystery dies in that

2162
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:15,780
little bit of a kind of chilled like

2163
01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:17,640
Wonder goes doesn't it

2164
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:19,620
um but it's like anything black triangle

2165
01:21:24,649 --> 01:21:23,100
photos coming out the water HD hacks all

2166
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,659
that kind of stuff it's almost better

2167
01:21:29,149 --> 01:21:27,120
sometimes in your mind but like Chris

2168
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:29,159
plane said then you put up his comment

2169
01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:30,840
there the resemblance of the actual

2170
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:33,000
photograph is exactly what we saw in the

2171
01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:35,340
Recreations and I think it's great to

2172
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:37,140
finally have that out and I think what

2173
01:21:42,410 --> 01:21:39,900
disappointed me with Nick Pope was how

2174
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:42,420
much he stuck to well I can't confirm

2175
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:44,699
this is the real photo and yeah well

2176
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:46,679
it's the same thing you've been peddling

2177
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:47,940
for years

2178
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:50,280
um and talking about so you know

2179
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:52,860
um but hey ho I think net Pope does what

2180
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:54,840
he does really well

2181
01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:56,940
um maybe not necessarily what people

2182
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,460
think he has done but you know what what

2183
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,440
he has done and it has brought a lot of

2184
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:03,960
eyes and ears to the UFO subject and

2185
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:05,940
moved out to the US and stuff and

2186
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:07,800
carried that one as well so fair play

2187
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:09,120
tonight and I'm glad he makes a living

2188
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:10,560
out of it as well because she has a nice

2189
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:12,840
guy I've met him and you're about nine

2190
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:15,060
years ago and but yeah Vinnie and David

2191
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,920
and the gents you talked about done a

2192
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,719
lot of hard work with that

2193
01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:19,920
um

2194
01:22:25,149 --> 01:22:21,540
for me

2195
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:25,159
are the hikers still alive any

2196
01:22:30,649 --> 01:22:27,840
that's part of the ongoing stuff we

2197
01:22:33,229 --> 01:22:30,659
can't announce just yeah okay so that's

2198
01:22:35,149 --> 01:22:33,239
that's just 30 years ago and if they're

2199
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:35,159
hikers they're likely not going to be

2200
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:36,000
young

2201
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,580
more than likely going to be older so

2202
01:22:42,649 --> 01:22:40,320
you're probably still talking

2203
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:42,659
I'm sorry Andy I'm so sorry to interrupt

2204
01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:43,320
man

2205
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,540
um were they hikers or were they kitchen

2206
01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:48,360
staff I'm confused they were they were

2207
01:22:57,169 --> 01:22:54,410
I read hikers like I've heard hikers

2208
01:22:59,390 --> 01:22:57,179
I've heard kitchen staff I'll clear that

2209
01:23:01,130 --> 01:22:59,400
up they were they were late teens they

2210
01:23:03,709 --> 01:23:01,140
were holiday staff so these are people

2211
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:03,719
that go and work in these Resorts let's

2212
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,580
say uh during the summer make a bit of

2213
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:07,440
extra pocket money one of them was

2214
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,420
supposedly from England so they were

2215
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:11,880
probably like 18 19 but what was known

2216
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,300
in those days is in in the area they are

2217
01:23:19,729 --> 01:23:17,280
in Scotland there's nothing to do so

2218
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,739
when they finish their shift at 9pm it's

2219
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:21,600
quite common for them to go up

2220
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,820
into the surrounding areas of the

2221
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,860
Scottish Highlands for a walk at night

2222
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:27,840
you know in a beautiful location they

2223
01:23:31,370 --> 01:23:29,880
don't get much down time that was the

2224
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:31,380
norm for them

2225
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,450
no I thought that they were young

2226
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,380
because it says that their names

2227
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:40,020
wouldn't be released in 2079 or

2228
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,820
something so right off the Hop I was

2229
01:23:45,290 --> 01:23:43,440
like they're young because they're

2230
01:23:48,530 --> 01:23:45,300
probably passed away by that time right

2231
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,540
they would be old very old or gone so

2232
01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:50,400
then it's for them it's not a big deal

2233
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:51,300
because they were trying to protect

2234
01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:52,920
their privacy so right there it kind of

2235
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:56,420
alludes to young but yeah

2236
01:24:02,090 --> 01:23:59,940
it got reclassified with some of the

2237
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,100
other stuff that got bumped but it was

2238
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:03,840
meant to be Declassified but didn't so I

2239
01:24:06,350 --> 01:24:05,040
didn't look at it too much into the

2240
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:06,360
dates for the years because there was

2241
01:24:11,209 --> 01:24:07,920
stuff meant to come out from the UK's

2242
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:11,219
UFO fails that wasn't released when it

2243
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:12,360
was meant to and they just stuck another

2244
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:15,420
stamp on it I would probably guess if

2245
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:16,920
there was any us involvement that's

2246
01:24:21,050 --> 01:24:18,420
because of our big brother the United

2247
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:21,060
States told the UK government nope you

2248
01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:22,440
can't release that so you can stick

2249
01:24:27,649 --> 01:24:24,360
another 50 years classification on it

2250
01:24:29,810 --> 01:24:27,659
and that's why that happens so for me

2251
01:24:32,209 --> 01:24:29,820
the Calvin stuff I've always had the

2252
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:32,219
impression that this U.S involvement

2253
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:36,239
probably U.S technology for some reason

2254
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:39,900
it was what it was I don't know and this

2255
01:24:44,330 --> 01:24:42,420
is why it's kept as secretive as it is

2256
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:44,340
because one the UK is better than the US

2257
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,460
in keeping secrets and two the US tell

2258
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,440
them to make sure it's all kept as he

2259
01:24:55,310 --> 01:24:51,840
could so yeah that that's my personal

2260
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,320
take is it's not non-human intelligence

2261
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,600
technology but it's certainly something

2262
01:25:01,370 --> 01:24:59,520
that we've copied

2263
01:25:02,630 --> 01:25:01,380
I'd say you've pretty much kind of

2264
01:25:04,970 --> 01:25:02,640
nailed what we've heard you know I

2265
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,980
mentioned we'd spoken to a member of

2266
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:07,199
Defense intelligence di55 who was

2267
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:09,480
involved in the case and it got to the

2268
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:12,780
point in 1992 two years after the

2269
01:25:17,209 --> 01:25:15,780
incident where di55 had to travel to the

2270
01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:17,219
us to have a meeting with in the

2271
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,940
Pentagon with the CIA with the DIA about

2272
01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:23,280
about all this debacle that had thrown

2273
01:25:27,950 --> 01:25:25,380
up about this craft in the UK you know

2274
01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:27,960
us thought it might be UK some people in

2275
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:29,820
the you know it was all like whose is it

2276
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,300
for for a while before it was like uh we

2277
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:35,280
know what it is now they sort it out and

2278
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:37,080
you know that's that's the line we've

2279
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,219
got can we prove that no but um you know

2280
01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:43,440
we've spoken to these defense

2281
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,300
intelligence sources for some time now

2282
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:47,760
more than one

2283
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:49,140
you know where do we go from there

2284
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:50,640
that's that's the kind of thing you know

2285
01:25:55,550 --> 01:25:52,920
are they just throwing us a in a

2286
01:25:58,250 --> 01:25:55,560
direction we they want us to go in it's

2287
01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:58,260
one of those those you know ever

2288
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:00,600
questioned Mysteries that we may never

2289
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:03,239
get to the bottom of but and to Echo

2290
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,159
what Chris says I know his boss Tim

2291
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:06,960
McMillan is less than supportive of the

2292
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,480
idea that it's secret U.S technology

2293
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:11,040
um and I get all the arguments for that

2294
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:13,260
but yeah and the subject for whatever

2295
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:17,280
reason was it in trouble was it was it

2296
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:20,880
over higher up but had to come down

2297
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:24,540
who knows but yeah yeah so I get an

2298
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:26,040
atomic melon is someone I would put a

2299
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:28,260
lot of faith into what he says his

2300
01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:31,620
opinion but I just for whatever reason

2301
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:35,159
don't think it's non-human I think it is

2302
01:26:41,290 --> 01:26:39,239
almost definitely U.S tech or is it some

2303
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:41,300
other country's Tech you know Sweden

2304
01:26:46,430 --> 01:26:44,100
Jamaica I don't know I don't mentioned

2305
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:46,440
China Russia yeah we've always been to

2306
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,060
China and Russia maybe it was Scottish

2307
01:26:52,090 --> 01:26:50,159
technology yeah there you go

2308
01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:52,100
um

2309
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,940
another one of these cases where we get

2310
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,280
so far and hit a brick wall and then we

2311
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,199
can just debate and debate for decades

2312
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,639
and decades and we never know the answer

2313
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:04,679
it could just but you know this is why

2314
01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:06,120
we're hoping to continue the work we're

2315
01:27:10,129 --> 01:27:08,040
doing to try and get past that brick

2316
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,139
wall because we've hit it a few times

2317
01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:12,000
and we've stepped past it a few times

2318
01:27:16,129 --> 01:27:14,340
maybe we'll get some answers but you

2319
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:16,139
know everyone asks me on it on a daily

2320
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,060
basis in my DMs are we getting any

2321
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:21,360
updates on Calvin and when we do will

2322
01:27:27,410 --> 01:27:22,860
release them

2323
01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:27,420
awesome I love it let's rewind back to

2324
01:27:34,129 --> 01:27:31,260
July uh Calvin story broke in August uh

2325
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:34,139
we have in July of 2022 DOD announces

2326
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:35,760
the establishment of the all domain

2327
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:38,520
anomaly resolution office finally we got

2328
01:27:43,129 --> 01:27:40,679
an acronym that we can pronounce we have

2329
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:43,139
a name we can pronounce and we have a

2330
01:27:48,350 --> 01:27:45,300
kind of full staff doing this thing

2331
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:48,360
we've got Dr Sean kirpatrick uh who is

2332
01:27:52,669 --> 01:27:50,040
most recently the chief scientist at the

2333
01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:52,679
defense intelligence agency's missile in

2334
01:27:57,169 --> 01:27:54,840
space Intelligence Center uh he's going

2335
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,179
to be the director pretty cool

2336
01:28:02,510 --> 01:27:59,340
um I'm not going to go through what

2337
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:02,520
arrow is uh guys go to the official I

2338
01:28:05,689 --> 01:28:04,380
think it's the dod website they've got

2339
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:05,699
the press release for it you can learn

2340
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:06,540
about what they're going to be doing

2341
01:28:09,709 --> 01:28:08,520
they'll be looking at UFOs in many

2342
01:28:10,970 --> 01:28:09,719
different ways and they're going to see

2343
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:10,980
if they're a threat

2344
01:28:13,970 --> 01:28:12,120
um they're going to try to resolve as

2345
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:13,980
many cases as they can they're going to

2346
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,040
look at transmedium objects uh and

2347
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:19,199
there's some news that just broke about

2348
01:28:24,350 --> 01:28:22,260
new language that's being put uh towards

2349
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:24,360
this organization which is pretty cool

2350
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:26,340
but what I want to do because Andy

2351
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,199
brother I know you have to get going in

2352
01:28:32,350 --> 01:28:30,000
a little bit I'm going to play two quick

2353
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:32,360
videos of one of my personal Heroes

2354
01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:36,000
politics aside Senator gillibrand um the

2355
01:28:41,870 --> 01:28:38,340
first one comes from I want to get this

2356
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:41,880
right uh Oswaldo Franco who is a UFO

2357
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,500
researcher out there you've probably

2358
01:28:47,870 --> 01:28:45,600
known from UFO Twitter and he had the

2359
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:47,880
opportunity to go to a town excuse me a

2360
01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:50,400
town hall that gillibrand was speaking

2361
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:52,920
at in New York City and got some some

2362
01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:55,199
time with it which is something no a lot

2363
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,000
of even mainstream reporters weren't

2364
01:29:02,209 --> 01:28:59,040
able to do get here get her talking

2365
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:02,219
about uh her work and what's to come so

2366
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:03,780
let me play that quick for you Senator

2367
01:29:08,090 --> 01:29:06,480
gillibrand I want to thank you on behalf

2368
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:08,100
of so many of my friends and colleagues

2369
01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:13,320
for your UAP reform support yes Gwen I

2370
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:15,300
have some questions yes when can we

2371
01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:17,340
expect a public hearing regarding uh

2372
01:29:30,970 --> 01:29:20,699
UFOs and uaps specifically with these

2373
01:29:35,050 --> 01:29:33,290
they're building the office right now

2374
01:29:42,910 --> 01:29:35,060
and they understand what the mission is

2375
01:29:49,570 --> 01:29:45,830
asked to go back and look at all of the

2376
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:51,970
imagine it's probably

2377
01:30:01,010 --> 01:29:59,570
and if you can't I should just go

2378
01:30:02,990 --> 01:30:01,020
forward if you can't get the historic

2379
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,000
stuff get what's in the private sector

2380
01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:05,820
get the private sector data like FAA

2381
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:09,060
data correlate it investigate all the

2382
01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:11,280
other things that are current and just

2383
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,840
raise you in the art office at least

2384
01:30:16,189 --> 01:30:14,639
committed and they're taking it

2385
01:30:18,169 --> 01:30:16,199
seriously like they're not going to hide

2386
01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:18,179
it because there's so many of us now on

2387
01:30:21,649 --> 01:30:19,500
the Intel committee and armed services

2388
01:30:25,090 --> 01:30:21,659
that we're going to stand by the service

2389
01:30:27,410 --> 01:30:25,100
members who's documented this stuff

2390
01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:27,420
radar they have heat sensors they have

2391
01:30:33,410 --> 01:30:31,139
everything materials so I'm not going to

2392
01:30:36,729 --> 01:30:33,420
let it go I'm 100 committed and if you

2393
01:30:40,209 --> 01:30:36,739
have information yes I do very much so

2394
01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:43,669
kudos to Osvaldo so polite

2395
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:45,719
um said exactly asked exactly what he

2396
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,760
should have in that you could see the

2397
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:49,199
guide like her Aid in the back being

2398
01:30:52,010 --> 01:30:50,760
like we gotta go stop talking to this

2399
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:52,020
UFO nut

2400
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:53,760
um but I thought he did an amazing

2401
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:56,760
amazing job we're all UFO nuts Oswaldo I

2402
01:31:01,970 --> 01:30:58,800
don't mean that as a bad thing and um

2403
01:31:05,209 --> 01:31:01,980
man yeah she's pissed like she knows how

2404
01:31:06,590 --> 01:31:05,219
much obstacation can't say that word had

2405
01:31:08,689 --> 01:31:06,600
too much wine

2406
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:08,699
um is happening with all of this and

2407
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:10,920
she's pressuring these people especially

2408
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:13,620
the new Inspector General I think it was

2409
01:31:20,890 --> 01:31:18,540
right at um the what was it uh uh Storch

2410
01:31:25,010 --> 01:31:20,900
Robert Storch during um his nomination

2411
01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:25,020
uh she like I've got the video I'm not

2412
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:27,480
gonna play it um for anyone interested

2413
01:31:33,050 --> 01:31:30,480
check it out she gives she she really um

2414
01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:33,060
she owns him in that thing yeah says

2415
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:35,820
like yo you need to do this and do it

2416
01:31:41,090 --> 01:31:38,760
before you actually uh get voted in and

2417
01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:41,100
he was he's just like okay man yes I'll

2418
01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:42,780
do that I'll do that awesome awesome

2419
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,800
awesome

2420
01:31:47,570 --> 01:31:45,840
um so yeah what do you guys think Arrow

2421
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:47,580
finally but what are we gonna get from

2422
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:50,280
it anything Christy let's start with you

2423
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:52,380
well first I'd like to say kudos to her

2424
01:31:56,990 --> 01:31:54,960
for you know you can see the excitement

2425
01:31:58,370 --> 01:31:57,000
and you can see the passion and that's

2426
01:31:59,930 --> 01:31:58,380
what we need and I think that that's

2427
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,940
really lovely I was laughing with the

2428
01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:01,440
Michael Jackson movie music in the

2429
01:32:04,030 --> 01:32:03,420
background too

2430
01:32:06,770 --> 01:32:04,040
um

2431
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:06,780
and also like such I love those like off

2432
01:32:10,910 --> 01:32:09,600
the cuff uh like little quotes and

2433
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,920
Nuggets too that we get from other

2434
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:12,960
people not just mainstream media because

2435
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:14,880
it makes it so real and authentic and

2436
01:32:19,729 --> 01:32:18,239
genuine so I kudos to her and also kudos

2437
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:19,739
to just the passion because I love it

2438
01:32:23,689 --> 01:32:21,540
and I obviously like to see more women

2439
01:32:25,610 --> 01:32:23,699
it's just nice to have a woman having a

2440
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,620
voice it's wonderful especially in that

2441
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:27,840
position of power uh outside of it yeah

2442
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:29,760
I'm excited for Arrow I'm really excited

2443
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,679
we'll see what happens we'll see what we

2444
01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,840
get you know next year I think we'll be

2445
01:32:37,370 --> 01:32:36,000
hopefully probably a big year and yeah

2446
01:32:38,810 --> 01:32:37,380
that's it well I'm just you know I'm

2447
01:32:41,090 --> 01:32:38,820
kind of waiting like everybody else is

2448
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:41,100
and curious of what's going to come out

2449
01:32:46,850 --> 01:32:43,980
absolutely Andy what do you think man

2450
01:32:48,169 --> 01:32:46,860
Arrow finally it's here what are we

2451
01:32:49,310 --> 01:32:48,179
gonna anything gonna happen what do you

2452
01:32:51,310 --> 01:32:49,320
think of it

2453
01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:51,320
I hope it sticks around because

2454
01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:53,699
consistency is probably a good thing for

2455
01:33:00,110 --> 01:32:56,760
this topic and one easy way to to keep

2456
01:33:02,209 --> 01:33:00,120
messing things up is to keep changing

2457
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:02,219
the PCS on the board to keep changing

2458
01:33:05,689 --> 01:33:03,900
the positions keep changing the names

2459
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:05,699
keep changing the heads of these

2460
01:33:11,149 --> 01:33:07,920
organizations as well right

2461
01:33:13,250 --> 01:33:11,159
um we know during the first go around

2462
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:13,260
when the UAP task force was announced

2463
01:33:17,930 --> 01:33:15,600
people like Louis zondo Chris Merlin

2464
01:33:19,850 --> 01:33:17,940
Sean Cahill and others who are kind of

2465
01:33:23,090 --> 01:33:19,860
figureheads on mainstream TV at the time

2466
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:23,100
we're talking about how the six month

2467
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:24,780
lead up they had to write that report

2468
01:33:29,209 --> 01:33:26,699
initially wasn't enough time and really

2469
01:33:32,450 --> 01:33:29,219
it had to be 33 years I think Chris

2470
01:33:33,890 --> 01:33:32,460
melon said they were hamstrung

2471
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:33,900
um and you know almost doing it with

2472
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:35,580
kind of two hands tied behind their back

2473
01:33:39,229 --> 01:33:37,620
with a sore foot you know and you know

2474
01:33:40,850 --> 01:33:39,239
trying to perform

2475
01:33:42,410 --> 01:33:40,860
um so it seems it's constantly having

2476
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:42,420
something pushing them back and pushing

2477
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:44,639
them back fighting against the tide what

2478
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:47,820
we need is consistency I would say again

2479
01:33:53,209 --> 01:33:51,060
Dr Sean Kirkpatrick being coming into

2480
01:33:54,649 --> 01:33:53,219
this in the middle of the Year even with

2481
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:54,659
the runny would have had to the end of

2482
01:33:59,810 --> 01:33:57,300
the year was still a sixth of the time

2483
01:34:01,790 --> 01:33:59,820
necessary to put together what people in

2484
01:34:04,189 --> 01:34:01,800
the know would claim to be a

2485
01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:04,199
comprehensive and worthwhile report so

2486
01:34:09,050 --> 01:34:05,880
again we were always going to have that

2487
01:34:10,729 --> 01:34:09,060
baby steps or preliminary report and and

2488
01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:10,739
to what extent people found that

2489
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,540
satisfactory would be you know the eye

2490
01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:14,400
of the beholder I think essentially is

2491
01:34:18,890 --> 01:34:15,480
it

2492
01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:18,900
um so for me the delay speaks volumes

2493
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:21,900
and we had a lot of people in the know

2494
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:23,580
who are telling us the report was on

2495
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:25,139
people's desks and the reports coming

2496
01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:27,000
out and the reports been delayed just a

2497
01:34:31,010 --> 01:34:29,280
little bit of time and here we are over

2498
01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:31,020
a month and a half later and it's still

2499
01:34:34,610 --> 01:34:32,580
not out and probably won't be out till

2500
01:34:36,530 --> 01:34:34,620
next year so it's one of those things

2501
01:34:38,209 --> 01:34:36,540
it'll be out when it's out it'll

2502
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,219
probably have the same impact as the

2503
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:40,560
last one did where some people will go

2504
01:34:44,450 --> 01:34:43,020
oh wow some people will be like ah and

2505
01:34:46,189 --> 01:34:44,460
other people won't know what you think

2506
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,199
so the commented people like all of you

2507
01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:48,719
all of us you know and and ask for our

2508
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:50,580
thoughts and opinions and Analysis as

2509
01:34:55,010 --> 01:34:52,860
well so when that happens you know that

2510
01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:55,020
that'll happen with everyone so for me

2511
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:58,139
it's it's a it's a marathon not a Sprint

2512
01:35:02,090 --> 01:35:00,060
with all of this

2513
01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:02,100
um politics in the US can be volatile at

2514
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:05,100
the best of times and we all thought

2515
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,719
coming out of covid the world was going

2516
01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:08,639
to be a big lovely Place blue sky and

2517
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:09,780
everyone's going to be hugging each

2518
01:35:14,330 --> 01:35:12,120
other in farting rainbows and we went

2519
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,340
straight in from a pandemic into a war

2520
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:17,280
didn't we with a Ukrainian so an

2521
01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:18,719
invasion and occupation whatever you

2522
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:20,520
want to call it and we never saw that

2523
01:35:25,370 --> 01:35:22,800
coming and that's always going to take

2524
01:35:27,169 --> 01:35:25,380
a lot of the budget and the pressure and

2525
01:35:29,629 --> 01:35:27,179
the time and the eyes of the people

2526
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:29,639
involved in this kind of stuff so

2527
01:35:33,410 --> 01:35:31,620
um for me it's one of those of I just

2528
01:35:36,410 --> 01:35:33,420
hope it sticks around

2529
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,420
long enough to actually do some work and

2530
01:35:42,169 --> 01:35:38,400
that's the second the third the fourth

2531
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:42,179
report maybe even the 2024 2025 as well

2532
01:35:45,649 --> 01:35:43,980
yeah that's a great point I was thinking

2533
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:45,659
the same thing Andy today just in

2534
01:35:49,490 --> 01:35:47,400
context of name changes and everything

2535
01:35:51,950 --> 01:35:49,500
else and just consistency because even

2536
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:51,960
just looking back at the year I was like

2537
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:55,679
gosh how many acronyms can we have can

2538
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:59,040
we stop please or just slow it down so

2539
01:36:03,169 --> 01:36:00,840
we can keep up and let's be honest maybe

2540
01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:03,179
there's reasons why they do that but you

2541
01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:04,500
know that was one thing I think it's a

2542
01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:06,060
really solid Point really solid point

2543
01:36:10,370 --> 01:36:08,100
and having consistency is what we need

2544
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:10,380
for sure and also that creates trust and

2545
01:36:16,490 --> 01:36:14,639
transparency right so yeah absolutely

2546
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:16,500
um let's uh hold on I want to thank

2547
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:19,199
Logan black and James Craig for the

2548
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,880
super chats guys once again going to the

2549
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,800
women's Refugee commission thank you

2550
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:24,239
thank you thank you

2551
01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:27,540
um Vinnie thank you yeah one thing that

2552
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:28,860
I think one thing that we need to be

2553
01:36:33,770 --> 01:36:30,960
aware of or reminded of when it comes to

2554
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:33,780
the arrow office is that I think it was

2555
01:36:37,850 --> 01:36:36,060
even after Dr Sean Kirkpatrick's

2556
01:36:39,890 --> 01:36:37,860
announcement as the head of the group

2557
01:36:42,830 --> 01:36:39,900
was that we saw job openings cropping up

2558
01:36:45,229 --> 01:36:42,840
we saw them on Twitter and then I don't

2559
01:36:47,689 --> 01:36:45,239
think those positions were filled until

2560
01:36:50,930 --> 01:36:47,699
late September with the work maybe even

2561
01:36:52,729 --> 01:36:50,940
starting and as late as November and

2562
01:36:55,610 --> 01:36:52,739
then you're asking them to do all of

2563
01:36:57,649 --> 01:36:55,620
this work to produce this report and I'm

2564
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,659
I'm lucky enough to have a friend a

2565
01:37:01,310 --> 01:36:59,280
source but I would call them a friend

2566
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,320
it's someone who I've known for quite

2567
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:03,360
some time now who worked very closely

2568
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:06,719
with Sean Kirkpatrick in the DIA missile

2569
01:37:09,950 --> 01:37:08,460
and space Intelligence Center who

2570
01:37:12,290 --> 01:37:09,960
actually had a conversation with Sean

2571
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:12,300
Kirkpatrick two weeks ago and he

2572
01:37:17,149 --> 01:37:13,199
basically

2573
01:37:18,890 --> 01:37:17,159
the gist of it was the pure scale of the

2574
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,900
project that they're working on is the

2575
01:37:24,830 --> 01:37:21,600
reason for the delay and that's it there

2576
01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:24,840
is no uh you know ominous you know

2577
01:37:28,910 --> 01:37:26,940
trying to hold withhold data or anything

2578
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,920
it's the pure scale and if if these

2579
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:30,719
important roles weren't filled until the

2580
01:37:34,430 --> 01:37:32,639
start or to mid-november then of course

2581
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,440
they're going to be behind I think we

2582
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:36,480
need to look at it logically and

2583
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:38,340
realistically absolutely and

2584
01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:41,340
realistically keyword for real man

2585
01:37:46,610 --> 01:37:43,620
um well Hey listen Andy I know you got

2586
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,620
to get going man um you got a family uh

2587
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,440
so dude thank you thank you for sticking

2588
01:37:53,570 --> 01:37:51,840
around with us Chrissy we got your story

2589
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,580
that I want to cover before you go if

2590
01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:54,960
that's okay do you got a few more

2591
01:38:00,590 --> 01:37:58,380
minutes yeah 100 yeah okay

2592
01:38:02,450 --> 01:38:00,600
um but Andy before we go brother before

2593
01:38:04,250 --> 01:38:02,460
you go I'm sorry we got plenty more

2594
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:04,260
coming guys

2595
01:38:07,550 --> 01:38:05,520
um let us know where we can find

2596
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:07,560
everything you're up to my man what's

2597
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:09,540
your uh what you got coming down the the

2598
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:11,400
pipeline and yeah yeah if you don't mind

2599
01:38:15,790 --> 01:38:13,320
give it to us

2600
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,800
I don't know

2601
01:38:18,890 --> 01:38:18,000
it's really late it's been a long

2602
01:38:22,129 --> 01:38:18,900
weekend

2603
01:38:24,169 --> 01:38:22,139
um so just type in that UFO podcast if

2604
01:38:27,050 --> 01:38:24,179
anyone wants to check anything out

2605
01:38:28,729 --> 01:38:27,060
um so Shane Ryan has just been on the

2606
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,739
podcast and I've heard him about West

2607
01:38:33,530 --> 01:38:31,199
all 1966 that was really interesting

2608
01:38:35,090 --> 01:38:33,540
going back into an older case

2609
01:38:36,649 --> 01:38:35,100
um a lot of Echoes of aerial School

2610
01:38:38,090 --> 01:38:36,659
phenomenon that kind of stuff which I'm

2611
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:38,100
going to cover later on so a bit of a

2612
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,840
shout out for that one

2613
01:38:44,330 --> 01:38:42,239
um I've got David pallides coming up

2614
01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:44,340
who's new documentary missing four one

2615
01:38:48,830 --> 01:38:46,679
the UFO connection is about to come out

2616
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,840
I think tomorrow it's released

2617
01:38:51,410 --> 01:38:50,159
um so it's going to come on and talk

2618
01:38:53,209 --> 01:38:51,420
about that

2619
01:38:55,490 --> 01:38:53,219
um and I've got Paul Sinclair bringing

2620
01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:55,500
some UK flavor to the podcast coming up

2621
01:39:02,030 --> 01:38:57,300
talking about has truth Thrift series

2622
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:02,040
and Pedro from narcap and the aiaa and

2623
01:39:07,310 --> 01:39:03,840
other organizations like that is coming

2624
01:39:08,930 --> 01:39:07,320
on the podcast soon too so I'm trying to

2625
01:39:11,330 --> 01:39:08,940
cram loads of stuff in over the next

2626
01:39:13,010 --> 01:39:11,340
week or two so there's loads of content

2627
01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:13,020
still going out over Christmas in New

2628
01:39:18,649 --> 01:39:16,440
Year but I want a week off because I've

2629
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:18,659
put out in two and a half years over 300

2630
01:39:25,129 --> 01:39:22,980
shows and it may be thanks Andreas no

2631
01:39:27,229 --> 01:39:25,139
maybe it is now

2632
01:39:30,169 --> 01:39:27,239
taking its talk and I could do with a

2633
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:30,179
week off that would be great so yeah

2634
01:39:35,149 --> 01:39:32,280
that's my plan

2635
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:35,159
uh you deserve it I know you deserve it

2636
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:37,920
I know a week off I don't know what that

2637
01:39:42,649 --> 01:39:40,560
is but I also don't have kids so I

2638
01:39:44,930 --> 01:39:42,659
totally understand man but yeah you're

2639
01:39:46,490 --> 01:39:44,940
doing amazing work I will I will Hammer

2640
01:39:48,649 --> 01:39:46,500
that point home I still have a full-time

2641
01:39:51,110 --> 01:39:48,659
job I still have three children

2642
01:39:53,149 --> 01:39:51,120
four children my stepson he's no bother

2643
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:53,159
but he's 19. he does his own thing and

2644
01:39:57,709 --> 01:39:54,719
I've got three very young children the

2645
01:40:00,590 --> 01:39:57,719
job the podcast life in general

2646
01:40:02,209 --> 01:40:00,600
um and yeah so I'm I'm busy but it's

2647
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,219
it's fun it's good to get to meet people

2648
01:40:05,810 --> 01:40:04,080
at you the people in the chat and I

2649
01:40:07,850 --> 01:40:05,820
enjoy talking about UFOs so it's great

2650
01:40:09,410 --> 01:40:07,860
to be able to do this and for it to be

2651
01:40:11,390 --> 01:40:09,420
as a successful like all of you have

2652
01:40:14,810 --> 01:40:11,400
been as well as it is so thanks to

2653
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:14,820
anyone who bothers to to check it out

2654
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,300
thanks man no we enjoy every moment you

2655
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,880
give this field so um I gotta thank you

2656
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,320
for coming on tonight giving your

2657
01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:24,960
insights and uh please give my best to

2658
01:40:28,129 --> 01:40:27,000
the family and uh very happy holiday

2659
01:40:30,110 --> 01:40:28,139
season

2660
01:40:31,970 --> 01:40:30,120
thanks and just one more point right you

2661
01:40:34,610 --> 01:40:31,980
mentioned about computational journalism

2662
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,620
in 2022 in modern day and it's awful

2663
01:40:38,689 --> 01:40:36,719
tomorrow night I'm doing my own recap

2664
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:38,699
show of the Year covering all the points

2665
01:40:45,790 --> 01:40:40,800
you have and Chrissy Vinnie and yourself

2666
01:40:50,689 --> 01:40:48,649
I'll leave you somewhere in that UFO

2667
01:40:52,430 --> 01:40:50,699
podcast yes

2668
01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:52,440
that live show will happen one day in a

2669
01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:54,300
theater in Scotland yeah that that'll

2670
01:40:57,530 --> 01:40:55,560
happen whatever we talked about that

2671
01:41:01,370 --> 01:40:57,540
didn't we yep and we'll probably speak

2672
01:41:03,970 --> 01:41:01,380
some WWF talk in there too for sure have

2673
01:41:08,410 --> 01:41:03,980
a good evening good day folks thank you

2674
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,169
ah that was awesome I loved having him

2675
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:14,880
Chrissy let's move on because you have

2676
01:41:19,850 --> 01:41:17,100
meetings to get to over at the debrief

2677
01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:19,860
and you're a busy busy person but well I

2678
01:41:22,669 --> 01:41:21,239
don't have a meeting at the debrief I

2679
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:22,679
have another meeting but not the debrief

2680
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:24,300
Chris is like probably gonna write Chris

2681
01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:25,330
Plains like we have a meeting

2682
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:33,110
um yeah let's

2683
01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:36,600
let's talk about this story uh that you

2684
01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:38,340
and Micah Hanks over at the debrief

2685
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,020
broke uh in tandem with Ben Hansen a few

2686
01:41:47,450 --> 01:41:45,600
other people uh this was awesome and

2687
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:47,460
this is I think Chris plane brought up

2688
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,300
something

2689
01:41:53,629 --> 01:41:50,880
um a good point earlier that this is the

2690
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:53,639
year of Aviation safety and I could not

2691
01:42:00,169 --> 01:41:56,400
agree more with him uh we're seeing so

2692
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,179
many Pilots so many getting involved in

2693
01:42:04,970 --> 01:42:02,400
this reporting things or not reporting

2694
01:42:07,310 --> 01:42:04,980
them um but this is a story that you

2695
01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:07,320
helped bring forward uh let me get this

2696
01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:09,719
right October 19th American Pilots

2697
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:11,580
report multiple encounters with unusual

2698
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,360
unusual race track UAP pilots and Crews

2699
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,520
for more than 15 commercial aircraft say

2700
01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:19,920
that they encountered UAP in American

2701
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:22,020
airspace according to eyewitness

2702
01:42:26,330 --> 01:42:24,540
testimony and videos according to

2703
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,340
Witnesses the rash of incidents occurred

2704
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:29,280
over a seven week period and involves

2705
01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:30,780
sightings of bright luminous aerial

2706
01:42:35,330 --> 01:42:32,520
objects and airspace from the American

2707
01:42:37,850 --> 01:42:35,340
Wood Midwest to as far west as the

2708
01:42:40,850 --> 01:42:37,860
Pacific Chrissy Newton and Micah helps

2709
01:42:42,350 --> 01:42:40,860
helped break this story so Chrissy tell

2710
01:42:44,270 --> 01:42:42,360
us more if you will

2711
01:42:47,209 --> 01:42:44,280
yeah for sure sorry I had to let my dog

2712
01:42:49,729 --> 01:42:47,219
in before so Mike and I broke this we

2713
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:49,739
were talking to bed Hansen and he was

2714
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,639
speaking about just the multiple pilot

2715
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,480
experiences that were happening and so

2716
01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:56,400
at one point it was 17 and it went up to

2717
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,600
30. and so they had from audio from all

2718
01:43:04,490 --> 01:43:02,400
different types of Airlines but mainly

2719
01:43:07,310 --> 01:43:04,500
from one for American Airlines and there

2720
01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:07,320
were two pilots Mark Halsey was one of

2721
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,940
them that I ended up interviewing and

2722
01:43:12,890 --> 01:43:11,040
talking about his experience and so the

2723
01:43:14,510 --> 01:43:12,900
experience for him while he was piloting

2724
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:14,520
it was a private jet

2725
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,080
well he was probably I believe it was

2726
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,199
towards um I think from um gosh in near

2727
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:21,840
Los Angeles uh but he's kind of he

2728
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,460
generally goes all over the world but

2729
01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:25,199
mainly in North America when he's

2730
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:28,500
working with uh as a Private Pilot so he

2731
01:43:32,810 --> 01:43:30,300
had this experience where he was in the

2732
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,820
cockpit with another pilot and he ends

2733
01:43:37,970 --> 01:43:34,560
up seeing something that he thinks is a

2734
01:43:40,609 --> 01:43:37,980
UAP uh it ends up going it's like one

2735
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:40,619
Shooting Star he initially says and then

2736
01:43:43,729 --> 01:43:42,060
it ends up connecting with a group of

2737
01:43:46,430 --> 01:43:43,739
them and then it ends up looking that it

2738
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,440
was going in a circular line and not a

2739
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:48,719
line but in a circular line so for him

2740
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:50,639
he didn't get any video footage of this

2741
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:52,980
but he did report it then to the local

2742
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:55,020
Air Traffic Control Center where he's

2743
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:56,940
speaking about it and saying that I've

2744
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,440
had this experience and I've had

2745
01:44:02,689 --> 01:44:01,199
multiple I've seen now multiple uaps you

2746
01:44:04,729 --> 01:44:02,699
know it started as one now it's gone to

2747
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:04,739
five and they're all like interconnected

2748
01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:07,679
so he reports that and then he then

2749
01:44:11,450 --> 01:44:09,960
reports consistently I think in the

2750
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,460
third there's two or three times he goes

2751
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:13,040
back and so it's like hey it's me again

2752
01:44:17,209 --> 01:44:15,900
I've had this report report later on

2753
01:44:19,129 --> 01:44:17,219
then we see that American Airlines

2754
01:44:21,530 --> 01:44:19,139
Pilots end up reporting very something

2755
01:44:22,970 --> 01:44:21,540
very similar and they're having the same

2756
01:44:24,290 --> 01:44:22,980
experience so we're seeing that these

2757
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:24,300
reports are happening all the way from

2758
01:44:27,770 --> 01:44:26,460
like you know Chicago to Japan so

2759
01:44:29,330 --> 01:44:27,780
they're happening all over the world

2760
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:29,340
from private to commercial airlines

2761
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:31,800
right so here's the thing that's that's

2762
01:44:34,609 --> 01:44:33,300
what we end up hearing and that's what

2763
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:34,619
we end up reporting because that's what

2764
01:44:40,189 --> 01:44:37,199
we're looking into as we then go forward

2765
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,199
and now where we set is that potentially

2766
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:42,239
a lot of these cases could be

2767
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,619
um starlink right they could be

2768
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,840
satellites and so here's the thing when

2769
01:44:48,590 --> 01:44:47,280
they are stat when they are star like

2770
01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:48,600
and this is something that's extremely

2771
01:44:53,149 --> 01:44:51,179
important to know because like Chris

2772
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:53,159
plain said you know airplane safety and

2773
01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:55,199
pilot safety is is generally number one

2774
01:44:58,370 --> 01:44:57,000
especially being an air especially with

2775
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:58,380
commercial planes as well you're

2776
01:45:01,850 --> 01:45:00,840
carrying so many people so you're

2777
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:01,860
getting into these safeties

2778
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:04,679
conversations when Pilots are not able

2779
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:07,020
to identify starlink not all of them

2780
01:45:10,850 --> 01:45:08,880
were considered starlink and you know

2781
01:45:12,109 --> 01:45:10,860
Mick West will say to him thanks to him

2782
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:12,119
he did bring that up and they did

2783
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,400
analyze it and said that it did match

2784
01:45:18,649 --> 01:45:17,040
star link being in the area so that's

2785
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:18,659
fine you know at the debrief we're here

2786
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:21,540
to report from you know academic you

2787
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:23,520
know well-sourced and so we're happy to

2788
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,080
say if we know something that might be

2789
01:45:29,090 --> 01:45:27,119
not UAP based right because that's what

2790
01:45:30,649 --> 01:45:29,100
we're supposed to do as a news Outlet so

2791
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:30,659
saying that then what the next question

2792
01:45:34,370 --> 01:45:32,400
is when Mike and I spoke and we were

2793
01:45:36,590 --> 01:45:34,380
talking about this in a group chat was

2794
01:45:38,750 --> 01:45:36,600
well then what about pilot safety if

2795
01:45:41,149 --> 01:45:38,760
they're not able to identify that

2796
01:45:43,550 --> 01:45:41,159
starlink we have a major communication

2797
01:45:45,649 --> 01:45:43,560
failure from you know Elon Musk and his

2798
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:45,659
team at starlink along with any other

2799
01:45:50,209 --> 01:45:48,239
pilot in aviation Community they should

2800
01:45:51,649 --> 01:45:50,219
be able to know what starlink is and so

2801
01:45:53,689 --> 01:45:51,659
they should be able to identify it very

2802
01:45:55,790 --> 01:45:53,699
very quickly because if they're going to

2803
01:45:57,709 --> 01:45:55,800
clog up traffic control centers and then

2804
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:57,719
reporting things they don't know we have

2805
01:46:02,270 --> 01:45:59,460
more issues there there's way more going

2806
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,280
work into it and also it's scary so

2807
01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:03,840
that's kind of where we left it now is

2808
01:46:07,550 --> 01:46:05,400
that some of them are still anomalous

2809
01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:07,560
and we don't know they're still UAP but

2810
01:46:10,430 --> 01:46:08,760
then the other ones that we're looking

2811
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:10,440
at potentially could have been starlik

2812
01:46:14,750 --> 01:46:13,020
so you know that that's what happens but

2813
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,760
we're happy to be able to say Bo both

2814
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:17,280
and again really important that we talk

2815
01:46:20,990 --> 01:46:19,500
about pilot safety and it's funny which

2816
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,000
I thought was really interesting is the

2817
01:46:27,050 --> 01:46:24,000
time that we broke that story with um

2818
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:27,060
Ben Hansen we ended up then having Ryan

2819
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,460
Graves that same week was on Joe Rogan

2820
01:46:32,990 --> 01:46:31,199
coming out speaking about his

2821
01:46:34,490 --> 01:46:33,000
organization and what he's doing and

2822
01:46:35,810 --> 01:46:34,500
that wasn't planned none of us talked to

2823
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:35,820
each other no one knew that that was

2824
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:37,679
going to happen but you know in the

2825
01:46:41,570 --> 01:46:39,960
ethos it was there and there's a big

2826
01:46:43,729 --> 01:46:41,580
reason when you have somebody like Ryan

2827
01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:43,739
Graves and then you're getting multiple

2828
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:45,780
Pilots you know reporting this we're

2829
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:48,600
having issues so at first and foremost I

2830
01:46:52,669 --> 01:46:50,760
think needs to be identified and we need

2831
01:46:54,890 --> 01:46:52,679
to do better communication you know

2832
01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:54,900
strategies and be able to inform Pilots

2833
01:46:58,930 --> 01:46:56,460
of what's actually going on and what's

2834
01:47:01,250 --> 01:46:58,940
in the skies and to me that's very scary

2835
01:47:02,689 --> 01:47:01,260
I would imagine it's for everybody else

2836
01:47:03,890 --> 01:47:02,699
too especially if you're flying with a

2837
01:47:05,470 --> 01:47:03,900
commercial airplane you're probably just

2838
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,480
know what it's looking at

2839
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:07,920
exactly and you know one of the cases

2840
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,040
that you guys noted uh really shook me

2841
01:47:15,410 --> 01:47:13,199
it was the one where

2842
01:47:17,450 --> 01:47:15,420
um they had to make like a a quick

2843
01:47:19,490 --> 01:47:17,460
maneuver like almost a negative Gene

2844
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:19,500
nose type to outmaneuver or something

2845
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:23,280
coming at them and like the airline the

2846
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,440
flight attendants got injured one of

2847
01:47:29,209 --> 01:47:26,880
them like broke their arm or something

2848
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:29,219
and the pilots had no idea what the

2849
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:30,719
object was and there was like

2850
01:47:35,450 --> 01:47:32,880
pandemonium in the cockpit and people

2851
01:47:37,729 --> 01:47:35,460
were terrified and then they had to like

2852
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:37,739
report it and um like talk about

2853
01:47:42,050 --> 01:47:40,320
Aviation safety it's not even the UFO

2854
01:47:43,729 --> 01:47:42,060
per se it's what happens in the plane

2855
01:47:46,669 --> 01:47:43,739
and how the pilots react to these things

2856
01:47:50,090 --> 01:47:46,679
that could be the potential danger

2857
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,100
um obviously by the UFO right and Mark

2858
01:47:55,850 --> 01:47:52,800
Halsey has multiple you know different

2859
01:47:58,490 --> 01:47:55,860
education certificates you name it from

2860
01:48:00,530 --> 01:47:58,500
working in the uh for military serving

2861
01:48:03,649 --> 01:48:00,540
along with then you know being trained

2862
01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:03,659
immensely so for someone for his caliber

2863
01:48:07,609 --> 01:48:05,699
that can't identify what's actually

2864
01:48:10,010 --> 01:48:07,619
going on you know and is also I believe

2865
01:48:11,810 --> 01:48:10,020
is a trained meteorologist you know has

2866
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,820
is not being able to identify that's

2867
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:13,920
scary because who knows how I don't know

2868
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:15,840
about the average commercial pilot you

2869
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:17,520
know what they need and when it comes to

2870
01:48:20,510 --> 01:48:18,840
multiple degrees and everything else

2871
01:48:22,370 --> 01:48:20,520
they obviously have to be trained but

2872
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,380
what else are they taught I don't know

2873
01:48:26,030 --> 01:48:24,239
but you know Mark Halsey was very

2874
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,040
credible and that's why we went forward

2875
01:48:30,530 --> 01:48:29,040
and Gaddy Schwartz from NBC Today ended

2876
01:48:33,229 --> 01:48:30,540
up picking it up and speaking about it

2877
01:48:34,729 --> 01:48:33,239
too but the thing is that no matter what

2878
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,739
we're able to prove them which is really

2879
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:36,480
lovely it's that small percentage still

2880
01:48:40,910 --> 01:48:39,060
that's still there that's UAP based and

2881
01:48:43,609 --> 01:48:40,920
again bringing back to attention that

2882
01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:43,619
pilot safety is extremely important and

2883
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,300
for everyone's sake

2884
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:48,000
yeah absolutely Vinnie do you want to

2885
01:48:51,169 --> 01:48:49,440
add anything to this story my man

2886
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:51,179
absolutely I think the one thing that

2887
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:52,260
really stood out to me was that

2888
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,760
initially this seemed to be sightings

2889
01:48:58,430 --> 01:48:56,159
from pilots flying between Hawaii and

2890
01:49:00,770 --> 01:48:58,440
the west coast of the US but within a

2891
01:49:02,209 --> 01:49:00,780
matter of a month or to six weeks if we

2892
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:02,219
realized that it stretched right out

2893
01:49:06,649 --> 01:49:04,080
into the Midwest and there were more and

2894
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:06,659
more pilots as the story kept growing

2895
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,920
and I have to give a shout out to Ben

2896
01:49:12,169 --> 01:49:09,600
Hansen for the great work Chrissy and

2897
01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:12,179
the team but also to Brittany Barbieri

2898
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:14,340
who supported Ben on the work and she

2899
01:49:19,609 --> 01:49:17,760
continues to do so but as that story was

2900
01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:19,619
evolving you know I'd been speaking to a

2901
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,860
pilot for many months and that story was

2902
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,440
the the reason why he came out and broke

2903
01:49:29,810 --> 01:49:28,080
his story on my show because of this

2904
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:29,820
story that Chrissy and these guys broke

2905
01:49:34,370 --> 01:49:31,500
you know so we can see a knock-on effect

2906
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:34,380
here of the importance of

2907
01:49:40,129 --> 01:49:37,920
air safety pilot testimony stigma all

2908
01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:40,139
those kind of things that have been

2909
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,320
um you know shrouding the kind of

2910
01:49:48,890 --> 01:49:45,840
the pilot world let's say for many years

2911
01:49:50,450 --> 01:49:48,900
it all started breaking down because of

2912
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,460
this story coming out and that's only

2913
01:49:54,649 --> 01:49:51,840
going to get better you know I was

2914
01:49:56,450 --> 01:49:54,659
contacted today by a a major newspaper

2915
01:49:59,149 --> 01:49:56,460
who wanted to break not break the story

2916
01:50:01,129 --> 01:49:59,159
but cover the story of the pilot that I

2917
01:50:03,649 --> 01:50:01,139
discussed and it all stems back to the

2918
01:50:05,390 --> 01:50:03,659
the racetrack case so you know I have to

2919
01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:05,400
thank everybody that came before my

2920
01:50:09,050 --> 01:50:07,080
story but it look at the knock-on effect

2921
01:50:10,669 --> 01:50:09,060
if this story then comes out in the next

2922
01:50:12,770 --> 01:50:10,679
few days in the in the newspaper here in

2923
01:50:15,169 --> 01:50:12,780
the UK how many more pilots are going to

2924
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,179
come forward you know it's it it's only

2925
01:50:26,169 --> 01:50:18,000
a good thing it's amazing so I give a

2926
01:50:30,890 --> 01:50:28,609
yeah it's pushing the subject forward

2927
01:50:33,890 --> 01:50:30,900
and that's all we ever ask for

2928
01:50:36,350 --> 01:50:33,900
yeah the other part too is that they um

2929
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,360
that wasn't fully reported as well was

2930
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,920
that some of the commercial airlines

2931
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,080
were actually threatening some of those

2932
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,239
pilots and I won't say who those

2933
01:50:46,189 --> 01:50:44,159
Airlines were but we're threatening them

2934
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,199
and saying that we're going to fire you

2935
01:50:50,689 --> 01:50:48,960
if you come forward so they some of the

2936
01:50:52,609 --> 01:50:50,699
pilots were like well we don't care they

2937
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:52,619
were telling you know we were hearing

2938
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:54,600
about it and that's scary on its own

2939
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,639
where at that point even in a commercial

2940
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,800
airline you're not able to report what

2941
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,239
you've experienced because you're scared

2942
01:51:03,709 --> 01:51:01,920
you're going to lose your job and lose

2943
01:51:05,629 --> 01:51:03,719
your wings and one thing I thought was

2944
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,639
really really interesting is that no

2945
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:06,960
matter what when you report and Mark

2946
01:51:10,370 --> 01:51:08,280
Halsey told me this in the interview

2947
01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:10,380
that I did with him it's that no matter

2948
01:51:14,750 --> 01:51:12,600
what you report and I don't suggest

2949
01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:14,760
anyone to do this but

2950
01:51:19,370 --> 01:51:16,920
when you just report something small

2951
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:19,380
about a pilot an airline that can ground

2952
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:22,320
them for days or weeks so it really

2953
01:51:26,510 --> 01:51:24,960
affects their job in many ways too if

2954
01:51:28,490 --> 01:51:26,520
they're calling them crazy or anything

2955
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,500
else so you know it could have grounded

2956
01:51:32,510 --> 01:51:30,239
Mark or anyone on a commercial airline

2957
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:32,520
so they're scared to report because they

2958
01:51:36,109 --> 01:51:34,080
don't want they want to work it's their

2959
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:36,119
money they get paid to fly how many

2960
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:37,920
hours they fly is what they get paid I

2961
01:51:41,450 --> 01:51:39,480
believe so that's why those commercial

2962
01:51:43,550 --> 01:51:41,460
airlines you know they're scared when

2963
01:51:44,689 --> 01:51:43,560
commercial pilots are very scared but

2964
01:51:46,370 --> 01:51:44,699
also then you shouldn't have that

2965
01:51:48,649 --> 01:51:46,380
Corporation threatening them to take

2966
01:51:52,250 --> 01:51:48,659
away their jobs it's just not right

2967
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,260
yeah absolutely yeah again I think that

2968
01:51:56,030 --> 01:51:54,960
leading into 2023 this is the evolution

2969
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:56,040
we're going to see in the commercial

2970
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:58,800
flight world of uh standards and

2971
01:52:03,229 --> 01:52:00,840
procedures following in you know

2972
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,239
conjunction with military Pilots I I

2973
01:52:07,850 --> 01:52:05,760
think it's great I I think this is a

2974
01:52:09,590 --> 01:52:07,860
really really positive step forward and

2975
01:52:11,870 --> 01:52:09,600
you guys highlighting these things in

2976
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:11,880
the alarming amount of them is only

2977
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,880
going to uh push that forward so again

2978
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:17,280
kudos for this group he's put together

2979
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,400
and yeah kudos to you guys for bringing

2980
01:52:25,550 --> 01:52:22,320
the story yeah and Mike Hanks knowing

2981
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,560
FAA like such an amazing journalist you

2982
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,360
know I'm not the only person in this you

2983
01:52:30,890 --> 01:52:29,040
know Mike the majority of writing that

2984
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:30,900
story as well and you know if we're

2985
01:52:34,430 --> 01:52:32,760
finding it together and and putting it

2986
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:34,440
out like he's just an amazing journalist

2987
01:52:38,450 --> 01:52:36,360
so kudos to him and his back knowledge

2988
01:52:40,189 --> 01:52:38,460
we you know we found out and five days

2989
01:52:43,609 --> 01:52:40,199
later we're like pushing something out

2990
01:52:45,410 --> 01:52:43,619
so for him I I congrat him because you

2991
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,420
have a really great side journalist and

2992
01:52:50,350 --> 01:52:47,520
a side partner doing that because I

2993
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,360
didn't know FAA live the way he does

2994
01:52:54,890 --> 01:52:53,040
he uh he had an episode of his podcast

2995
01:52:57,169 --> 01:52:54,900
this week the Micah Hanks program that

2996
01:52:59,629 --> 01:52:57,179
covers this entire string of events too

2997
01:53:01,970 --> 01:52:59,639
so I highly suggest people go check that

2998
01:53:04,010 --> 01:53:01,980
out but Chrissy before you go where can

2999
01:53:05,930 --> 01:53:04,020
we check you out what do you got coming

3000
01:53:07,310 --> 01:53:05,940
down the pipeline give it to us I know

3001
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,320
you got to get going

3002
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,840
yeah for sure so um I have Christopher

3003
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:11,280
plain I think he's still on here I love

3004
01:53:16,669 --> 01:53:13,280
you Chris I'm gonna be doing some stuff

3005
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:16,679
uh probably around warp uh technology

3006
01:53:21,169 --> 01:53:19,080
and some some interviews around that the

3007
01:53:23,570 --> 01:53:21,179
next coming weeks so check that out on

3008
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:23,580
rebelliously carius and also you can

3009
01:53:26,570 --> 01:53:24,840
always check me out when I'm with Ryan

3010
01:53:29,149 --> 01:53:26,580
hopefully more next year somewhere in

3011
01:53:31,129 --> 01:53:29,159
the skies so uh follow us there or watch

3012
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,139
us still here and also you can check me

3013
01:53:35,629 --> 01:53:33,360
out on Instagram it's at being Chrissy

3014
01:53:37,790 --> 01:53:35,639
Newton or again on my Twitter at Chrissy

3015
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,800
Newton so I'll see you guys there

3016
01:53:42,770 --> 01:53:40,320
awesome thank you Chrissy thank you for

3017
01:53:44,930 --> 01:53:42,780
your time happy holidays and I know I'll

3018
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:44,940
probably be talking to you in an hour or

3019
01:53:50,510 --> 01:53:48,000
so about other other things so um I'll

3020
01:53:52,189 --> 01:53:50,520
say goodbye for now that sounds good

3021
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:52,199
good to see you Vinnie

3022
01:53:59,890 --> 01:53:57,119
take care Chrissy bye guys thank you bye

3023
01:54:03,550 --> 01:53:59,900
and then there were two

3024
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,560
Vinnie but the the two

3025
01:54:07,550 --> 01:54:06,000
sweaters going on dude thank you for

3026
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:07,560
sticking around I've got two more major

3027
01:54:10,850 --> 01:54:08,880
stories if you're willing to stick

3028
01:54:13,250 --> 01:54:10,860
around I'm more than happy my friend

3029
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,260
more than happy thank you thank you

3030
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:14,880
appreciate it appreciate everyone

3031
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:17,280
sticking around this has been incredible

3032
01:54:20,990 --> 01:54:19,380
I I don't remember last time I've had

3033
01:54:23,870 --> 01:54:21,000
this many people watching a live stream

3034
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:23,880
probably when um gosh I think it was

3035
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:25,920
moment of contact we had James Fox on

3036
01:54:30,050 --> 01:54:27,239
which we're going to bring up in a

3037
01:54:33,950 --> 01:54:30,060
little bit but um let's uh let's rewind

3038
01:54:36,830 --> 01:54:33,960
my man so we had two other uh sort of

3039
01:54:39,470 --> 01:54:36,840
government involved conferences that

3040
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:39,480
happened in this one in Brazil uh which

3041
01:54:44,090 --> 01:54:41,520
was amazing from what I've heard a lot

3042
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:44,100
of Brazilian cases brought forward that

3043
01:54:47,390 --> 01:54:46,320
um I'd never heard of or anything like

3044
01:54:49,550 --> 01:54:47,400
that

3045
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:49,560
um and I'm gonna be honest it didn't

3046
01:54:54,530 --> 01:54:51,840
make my list only because it completely

3047
01:54:57,530 --> 01:54:54,540
slipped my mind so if you want to touch

3048
01:54:59,709 --> 01:54:57,540
on it you can but I do have

3049
01:55:02,750 --> 01:54:59,719
um on October 13th the French government

3050
01:55:05,090 --> 01:55:02,760
uh space agency hosted an International

3051
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:05,100
Conference let's run through this quick

3052
01:55:09,169 --> 01:55:07,800
the national Center for space studies in

3053
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:09,179
conjunction with the information and

3054
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:13,199
study group of UAP uh which is gaipan

3055
01:55:18,590 --> 01:55:16,800
um the conference in Toulouse France the

3056
01:55:21,169 --> 01:55:18,600
attendees ranged from military to

3057
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:21,179
private researchers represented visitors

3058
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:24,840
from 13 countries and um that that's

3059
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,820
amazing and it was in English and in

3060
01:55:32,030 --> 01:55:29,040
French which is only going to open the

3061
01:55:33,890 --> 01:55:32,040
doors for more people to uh receive the

3062
01:55:36,850 --> 01:55:33,900
information at this thing and for

3063
01:55:40,370 --> 01:55:36,860
speakers you know you had Ted Rowe there

3064
01:55:42,050 --> 01:55:40,380
and you even had a a journalist a French

3065
01:55:44,270 --> 01:55:42,060
journalist actually who works over at

3066
01:55:46,430 --> 01:55:44,280
the debrief and uh I just want to make

3067
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:46,440
sure I get his name here right Baptiste

3068
01:55:56,870 --> 01:55:54,169
um he was so kind enough to send me a

3069
01:55:59,570 --> 01:55:56,880
video about his experience and kind of

3070
01:56:00,890 --> 01:55:59,580
um what what he saw there and who spoke

3071
01:56:03,169 --> 01:56:00,900
so I'm gonna go ahead and play that

3072
01:56:05,149 --> 01:56:03,179
really quick if you don't mind

3073
01:56:07,310 --> 01:56:05,159
yeah we'll talk on the other side about

3074
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:07,320
it so here is baptiste's free score

3075
01:56:13,609 --> 01:56:10,639
talking about this amazing event

3076
01:56:16,250 --> 01:56:13,619
a few months ago I was able to cover the

3077
01:56:20,270 --> 01:56:16,260
UAP conference organized by the French

3078
01:56:22,729 --> 01:56:20,280
Space Agency for the debrief since 1977

3079
01:56:25,609 --> 01:56:22,739
the national Center for space studies

3080
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:25,619
has financed the department that has

3081
01:56:29,870 --> 01:56:28,080
gathered witness reports and has

3082
01:56:32,810 --> 01:56:29,880
investigated them

3083
01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:32,820
today it is named version and headed by

3084
01:56:37,370 --> 01:56:34,260
the Suncoast

3085
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:37,380
that event named kippo covered more than

3086
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:40,080
100 experts on uaps from every part of

3087
01:56:43,250 --> 01:56:41,040
the world

3088
01:56:45,709 --> 01:56:43,260
the main points that were discussed were

3089
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:45,719
methodological the same way you need to

3090
01:56:50,209 --> 01:56:47,760
sort through there to find gold the

3091
01:56:52,189 --> 01:56:50,219
majority of witness reports have common

3092
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,199
causes that can be discovered through

3093
01:56:56,990 --> 01:56:54,480
the rigorous scientific investigation of

3094
01:56:59,390 --> 01:56:57,000
a case it Rose to select three percent

3095
01:57:02,629 --> 01:56:59,400
of cases where the source of the

3096
01:57:04,129 --> 01:57:02,639
sighting cannot be identified despite a

3097
01:57:07,250 --> 01:57:04,139
full investigation

3098
01:57:10,129 --> 01:57:07,260
during the K-pop various experts share

3099
01:57:11,689 --> 01:57:10,139
their methods of investigating cases to

3100
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,699
an agents of private researchers

3101
01:57:14,629 --> 01:57:13,440
military personnel and representatives

3102
01:57:17,290 --> 01:57:14,639
from National and international

3103
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:17,300
organizations

3104
01:57:22,490 --> 01:57:19,920
interestingly's Daniel Evans took part

3105
01:57:24,530 --> 01:57:22,500
in the presentation introducing his own

3106
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:24,540
UAP group aiming to establish a

3107
01:57:27,530 --> 01:57:26,639
framework of an eye risk research

3108
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,540
program

3109
01:57:31,850 --> 01:57:29,280
track Valley presented this research on

3110
01:57:33,709 --> 01:57:31,860
UA for debris published this year in the

3111
01:57:36,890 --> 01:57:33,719
peer review journal progress in

3112
01:57:38,930 --> 01:57:36,900
Aerospace science and The Trinity case

3113
01:57:43,209 --> 01:57:38,940
concerning a knowledge UFO crash

3114
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:43,219
recovered by the US Army in 1945.

3115
01:57:49,010 --> 01:57:46,080
this data collection stations and

3116
01:57:51,470 --> 01:57:49,020
academic programs while Ted row showed

3117
01:57:54,290 --> 01:57:51,480
the results of knockout's research Uncle

3118
01:57:57,729 --> 01:57:54,300
for an international initiative on UAP

3119
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,890
expert on Visual Evidence proved that

3120
01:58:04,250 --> 01:58:03,119
the well-known McMinnville UFO was a

3121
01:58:07,250 --> 01:58:04,260
fake

3122
01:58:09,770 --> 01:58:07,260
but very interestingly the keeper opened

3123
01:58:13,310 --> 01:58:09,780
on the presentation of an ongoing

3124
01:58:15,950 --> 01:58:13,320
investigation of UAP sightings witnessed

3125
01:58:19,790 --> 01:58:15,960
by a former military member witness

3126
01:58:22,609 --> 01:58:19,800
describes him three large red colored

3127
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:22,619
rectangles of a ring a few kilometers

3128
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:26,639
away from one of France largest military

3129
01:58:34,490 --> 01:58:29,340
nuclear installations

3130
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:34,500
to this day this case is unexplained

3131
01:58:39,410 --> 01:58:37,619
there you go man ah thank you thank you

3132
01:58:41,689 --> 01:58:39,420
so much to Baptiste for sending that in

3133
01:58:43,609 --> 01:58:41,699
and apologies for pronouncing your last

3134
01:58:45,649 --> 01:58:43,619
name wrong I'm clearly French is not my

3135
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:45,659
thing so trying to learn how to decipher

3136
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:48,000
some of the Scottish over here too but

3137
01:58:52,910 --> 01:58:50,639
um that's a whole other story vidi what

3138
01:58:54,589 --> 01:58:52,920
do you think man you know we started

3139
01:58:56,990 --> 01:58:54,599
with these Congressional hearings in the

3140
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:57,000
U.S we have all these

3141
01:59:02,330 --> 01:58:58,880
um you know highly influential people

3142
01:59:04,609 --> 01:59:02,340
speaking in America but it's spreading

3143
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:04,619
man look at this we've got two huge

3144
01:59:09,410 --> 01:59:07,679
events one in France one in Brazil uh

3145
01:59:11,510 --> 01:59:09,420
what do you think about all of this

3146
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:11,520
happening um what is it heading towards

3147
01:59:15,649 --> 01:59:13,199
and what do you make of all of these

3148
01:59:19,070 --> 01:59:15,659
conferences

3149
01:59:21,470 --> 01:59:19,080
oh you're muted

3150
01:59:23,570 --> 01:59:21,480
my apologies I like doing that I'm

3151
01:59:25,609 --> 01:59:23,580
trying to be too polite I I'm basically

3152
01:59:27,290 --> 01:59:25,619
going to kind of cover what uh Baptiste

3153
01:59:29,689 --> 01:59:27,300
said and he said it's so eloquently and

3154
01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:29,699
beautifully and I can't say in such a

3155
01:59:33,050 --> 01:59:31,199
beautiful language but the kaipan

3156
01:59:34,910 --> 01:59:33,060
conference under the authority of gaipan

3157
01:59:37,729 --> 01:59:34,920
was great you know we he mentioned we

3158
01:59:40,010 --> 01:59:37,739
had Dan Evans heading the NASA UAP study

3159
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:40,020
coming to talk as well but then we had

3160
01:59:44,089 --> 01:59:42,239
multiple gaipan speakers and you know

3161
01:59:46,250 --> 01:59:44,099
this is a very well respected agency

3162
01:59:48,589 --> 01:59:46,260
talking about things like satellite

3163
01:59:51,109 --> 01:59:48,599
networks and the ways that we can you

3164
01:59:52,910 --> 01:59:51,119
know look at um tracking and tracing and

3165
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:52,920
looking at UAP

3166
01:59:55,490 --> 01:59:54,719
um and of course we had Shaq valet you

3167
01:59:58,430 --> 01:59:55,500
know that's always going to add

3168
01:59:59,629 --> 01:59:58,440
credibility to any conference Ted Rowe

3169
02:00:02,089 --> 01:59:59,639
he mentioned as well calling for

3170
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:02,099
international cooperation and then it's

3171
02:00:05,209 --> 02:00:03,840
a perfect opportunity to exchange the

3172
02:00:07,370 --> 02:00:05,219
latest research and experimental

3173
02:00:09,709 --> 02:00:07,380
protocols between researchers from

3174
02:00:11,689 --> 02:00:09,719
around the globe it's it really is pulls

3175
02:00:14,030 --> 02:00:11,699
the community together from from around

3176
02:00:16,850 --> 02:00:14,040
the globe and I think it was a really

3177
02:00:18,830 --> 02:00:16,860
open uh conversation that they had even

3178
02:00:20,330 --> 02:00:18,840
though it wasn't a public conference a

3179
02:00:22,609 --> 02:00:20,340
lot of the information you know it

3180
02:00:24,410 --> 02:00:22,619
wasn't classified or anything like that

3181
02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:24,420
and it all came out afterwards and it

3182
02:00:27,950 --> 02:00:26,580
was a really positive step forward in my

3183
02:00:30,350 --> 02:00:27,960
opinion

3184
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:30,360
absolutely same with Brazil you know

3185
02:00:34,729 --> 02:00:32,400
with so much with such a rich history

3186
02:00:37,609 --> 02:00:34,739
with this phenomenon

3187
02:00:39,470 --> 02:00:37,619
um it was good to finally hear them like

3188
02:00:43,070 --> 02:00:39,480
embrace it and even their military

3189
02:00:46,370 --> 02:00:43,080
people talk about it so I I think this

3190
02:00:48,169 --> 02:00:46,380
is all you know very positive things and

3191
02:00:50,030 --> 02:00:48,179
uh it's only going to help it's only

3192
02:00:51,649 --> 02:00:50,040
going to help the topic I feel

3193
02:00:53,689 --> 02:00:51,659
um yeah awesome man well let's talk

3194
02:00:56,510 --> 02:00:53,699
about um let's talk about some people

3195
02:00:59,930 --> 02:00:56,520
who aren't so open with things and that

3196
02:01:04,310 --> 02:00:59,940
is the highly secretive Place known as

3197
02:01:07,129 --> 02:01:04,320
Area 51 and uh this story

3198
02:01:11,209 --> 02:01:07,139
um came out this was in November

3199
02:01:15,410 --> 02:01:11,219
November 18th uh Air Force and FBI raid

3200
02:01:18,229 --> 02:01:15,420
homes of men with Area 51 website let me

3201
02:01:21,169 --> 02:01:18,239
get this on the screen here

3202
02:01:24,169 --> 02:01:21,179
um jorg arnew a Nevada man who operates

3203
02:01:26,930 --> 02:01:24,179
the website dreamlandresort.com focusing

3204
02:01:29,270 --> 02:01:26,940
on Area 51 reported that military and

3205
02:01:32,030 --> 02:01:29,280
federal investigators raided his homes

3206
02:01:34,010 --> 02:01:32,040
on November 3rd they took materials and

3207
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:34,020
his laptops and I've got some video

3208
02:01:40,430 --> 02:01:36,960
footage uh again from George Knapp who

3209
02:01:43,790 --> 02:01:40,440
interviewed George uh George George am I

3210
02:01:46,669 --> 02:01:43,800
saying that right uh okay yeah we'll go

3211
02:01:49,970 --> 02:01:46,679
with that oh God I'm such an American

3212
02:01:53,450 --> 02:01:49,980
um yeah so this story is crazy man like

3213
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:53,460
we had big Bobby laser getting raided by

3214
02:01:58,310 --> 02:01:56,040
the FBI when he uh came forward in

3215
02:02:01,430 --> 02:01:58,320
Jeremy corbella's Dock and said he had

3216
02:02:02,570 --> 02:02:01,440
some area some element 115.

3217
02:02:04,430 --> 02:02:02,580
um I know a lot of people don't think

3218
02:02:07,310 --> 02:02:04,440
that's why the rate happened story for

3219
02:02:10,490 --> 02:02:07,320
another time but here we have just a

3220
02:02:14,330 --> 02:02:10,500
normal dude who literally became a U.S

3221
02:02:17,450 --> 02:02:14,340
citizen to move to Nevada and uh scope

3222
02:02:20,930 --> 02:02:17,460
out Area 51 and put together this really

3223
02:02:23,930 --> 02:02:20,940
cool website and then boom out of

3224
02:02:25,310 --> 02:02:23,940
nowhere this happens no explanation as

3225
02:02:27,410 --> 02:02:25,320
to why

3226
02:02:29,689 --> 02:02:27,420
um what do you think man what do you

3227
02:02:32,750 --> 02:02:29,699
make of this story story this is uh this

3228
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:32,760
is crazy that this is happening in 2022.

3229
02:02:36,350 --> 02:02:34,320
yeah I think the first thing that really

3230
02:02:38,450 --> 02:02:36,360
hit me home is that I'm I've been I I've

3231
02:02:39,410 --> 02:02:38,460
looked at dreamlandresort.com for many

3232
02:02:41,649 --> 02:02:39,420
years

3233
02:02:45,290 --> 02:02:41,659
and

3234
02:02:46,970 --> 02:02:45,300
it was kind of surprising I didn't think

3235
02:02:49,609 --> 02:02:46,980
that the guy had done anything out of

3236
02:02:52,669 --> 02:02:49,619
the ordinary he'd obviously put a lot of

3237
02:02:54,290 --> 02:02:52,679
work into uh going to locations where he

3238
02:02:57,410 --> 02:02:54,300
could get seriously interesting

3239
02:03:00,770 --> 02:02:57,420
photographs of the uh the landscape

3240
02:03:03,350 --> 02:03:00,780
surrounding the the area 51.

3241
02:03:04,970 --> 02:03:03,360
testing range or the range whatever you

3242
02:03:05,870 --> 02:03:04,980
want to call it

3243
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:05,880
um

3244
02:03:10,189 --> 02:03:07,860
and very quickly in my mind I thought

3245
02:03:12,770 --> 02:03:10,199
well all I can think of is the

3246
02:03:15,050 --> 02:03:12,780
sensitivity of what it might reveal to

3247
02:03:18,589 --> 02:03:15,060
adversaries I wasn't looking at this

3248
02:03:20,810 --> 02:03:18,599
from a conspiratorial angle but one

3249
02:03:22,490 --> 02:03:20,820
thing I noticed very quickly online is

3250
02:03:24,290 --> 02:03:22,500
that everyone was looking at this from a

3251
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:24,300
conspiratorial angle like he had

3252
02:03:28,010 --> 02:03:26,639
revealed some incredible information or

3253
02:03:30,109 --> 02:03:28,020
something and the gut but the guy

3254
02:03:32,330 --> 02:03:30,119
himself admitted that throughout the

3255
02:03:33,709 --> 02:03:32,340
debacle of him his home being you know

3256
02:03:36,290 --> 02:03:33,719
his door being knocked down and him

3257
02:03:38,149 --> 02:03:36,300
being handcuffed or whatever he reached

3258
02:03:39,950 --> 02:03:38,159
out and shouted all these agents saying

3259
02:03:42,050 --> 02:03:39,960
what have I done wrong and even for

3260
02:03:44,270 --> 02:03:42,060
hours afterwards no one would give him a

3261
02:03:46,129 --> 02:03:44,280
decisive answer on what what he was in

3262
02:03:48,770 --> 02:03:46,139
trouble for and I think he had two homes

3263
02:03:51,109 --> 02:03:48,780
raided on all his um devices and

3264
02:03:52,609 --> 02:03:51,119
recovered and I think for days after he

3265
02:03:55,490 --> 02:03:52,619
still didn't know what the problem was

3266
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:55,500
and so I don't know I I put it down to

3267
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:57,119
literally maybe he had some sensitive

3268
02:04:00,649 --> 02:03:59,040
photographs from one of the Peaks that

3269
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:00,659
overlooks that maybe gives away some

3270
02:04:05,629 --> 02:04:04,560
adversarial Advantage I think you know

3271
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:05,639
I'm trying to look at it from that

3272
02:04:10,430 --> 02:04:08,340
language go I I might be wrong

3273
02:04:11,990 --> 02:04:10,440
yeah who knows well you know I've got a

3274
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:12,000
short video here again George Knapp

3275
02:04:15,890 --> 02:04:13,440
interviewed him I'm going to play that

3276
02:04:17,870 --> 02:04:15,900
so we can hear from him himself

3277
02:04:20,450 --> 02:04:17,880
um arnu so let me go ahead and play that

3278
02:04:23,629 --> 02:04:20,460
now and then I also have a statement

3279
02:04:25,850 --> 02:04:23,639
that um our new gave to press I reached

3280
02:04:27,890 --> 02:04:25,860
out to him at the website and he he

3281
02:04:29,689 --> 02:04:27,900
couldn't Grant interviews he's he's

3282
02:04:32,089 --> 02:04:29,699
dealing with a lot right now he's

3283
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:32,099
literally working with lawyers right now

3284
02:04:36,649 --> 02:04:33,599
on all of this because he still hasn't

3285
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:36,659
gotten his computers back uh like it's

3286
02:04:42,010 --> 02:04:40,320
crazy dude this this is ah God I I hate

3287
02:04:44,750 --> 02:04:42,020
hearing things like this from the FBI

3288
02:04:46,370 --> 02:04:44,760
kind of bullied their way in but um

3289
02:04:48,169 --> 02:04:46,380
could be for some reasons let's hear

3290
02:04:49,490 --> 02:04:48,179
from our new about it I came to this

3291
02:04:55,609 --> 02:04:49,500
country

3292
02:04:59,209 --> 02:04:55,619
would never do anything to hurt this

3293
02:05:01,189 --> 02:04:59,219
country but I don't understand what is

3294
02:05:03,649 --> 02:05:01,199
going on right now arnu is not

3295
02:05:05,629 --> 02:05:03,659
anti-government not even anti-syncrasy

3296
02:05:07,970 --> 02:05:05,639
he says he's always been careful to

3297
02:05:09,890 --> 02:05:07,980
screen out content that might cross the

3298
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:09,900
line and expose something that is

3299
02:05:13,850 --> 02:05:12,420
legitimately classified asking okay what

3300
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:13,860
is going on what are you doing in my

3301
02:05:18,950 --> 02:05:15,119
house

3302
02:05:23,089 --> 02:05:18,960
um to which I just I'm looking basically

3303
02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:23,099
at this point at a riot shield and a gun

3304
02:05:28,910 --> 02:05:26,340
that was drawn and pointed at me and an

3305
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:28,920
agent uh in a Stern voice giving me

3306
02:05:32,030 --> 02:05:30,719
commands to turn around hands against

3307
02:05:35,149 --> 02:05:32,040
the wall

3308
02:05:38,089 --> 02:05:35,159
uh he then proceeded to yank my hands

3309
02:05:40,189 --> 02:05:38,099
pretty violently back a handcuffed me

3310
02:05:41,870 --> 02:05:40,199
very tight I mean it really hurt I got

3311
02:05:44,089 --> 02:05:41,880
the message that hey these guys are

3312
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,099
serious as it is right now I have no

3313
02:05:49,490 --> 02:05:46,320
clear understanding what I'm being

3314
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:49,500
charged with or why my property was seen

3315
02:05:55,129 --> 02:05:51,360
was seized

3316
02:05:56,330 --> 02:05:55,139
my various computers three or four

3317
02:06:00,530 --> 02:05:56,340
laptops

3318
02:06:03,709 --> 02:06:00,540
cell phones memory sticks backup drives

3319
02:06:07,010 --> 02:06:03,719
my camera equipment that is worth almost

3320
02:06:10,669 --> 02:06:07,020
ten thousand dollars by drone everything

3321
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:10,679
was taken I was presented with a list of

3322
02:06:14,510 --> 02:06:12,480
items that were taken but not with the

3323
02:06:16,609 --> 02:06:14,520
reason why they were taken do you feel

3324
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:16,619
that this was sending some sort of a

3325
02:06:21,770 --> 02:06:19,679
message to you that uh Hey Area 51 is

3326
02:06:23,810 --> 02:06:21,780
still a classified Place secret things

3327
02:06:26,030 --> 02:06:23,820
go on there sensitive things go on there

3328
02:06:29,290 --> 02:06:26,040
and you better watch your step I believe

3329
02:06:32,689 --> 02:06:29,300
this was all about sending a message

3330
02:06:35,089 --> 02:06:32,699
there you go man sending a message

3331
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:35,099
um well our new sent me a message he was

3332
02:06:38,209 --> 02:06:36,960
kind enough to email me back with this

3333
02:06:39,649 --> 02:06:38,219
statement

3334
02:06:43,010 --> 02:06:39,659
um so I'm gonna go ahead and read this

3335
02:06:44,450 --> 02:06:43,020
uh quickly uh let's see here I have to

3336
02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,460
believe that someone gave them bad

3337
02:06:47,450 --> 02:06:46,320
information about us

3338
02:06:49,550 --> 02:06:47,460
um he did mention in the video

3339
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:49,560
everything that was taken he's looking

3340
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,320
at not counting my expected legal

3341
02:06:55,550 --> 02:06:54,480
expenses my losses so far include over

3342
02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:55,560
20

3343
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:58,380
000 US dollars in equipment taken in

3344
02:07:03,890 --> 02:07:01,679
over five thousand dollars in damage uh

3345
02:07:06,050 --> 02:07:03,900
there are 40 pages missing from the

3346
02:07:08,209 --> 02:07:06,060
search warrant I received and the

3347
02:07:10,609 --> 02:07:08,219
records are sealed I can't even look up

3348
02:07:12,169 --> 02:07:10,619
the reason for the search I don't want

3349
02:07:14,089 --> 02:07:12,179
to speculate

3350
02:07:16,250 --> 02:07:14,099
um I left several messages with the FBI

3351
02:07:18,649 --> 02:07:16,260
agent in charge but he hasn't returned

3352
02:07:20,930 --> 02:07:18,659
my calls at this point I have no choice

3353
02:07:23,390 --> 02:07:20,940
but to take legal action uh for

3354
02:07:25,370 --> 02:07:23,400
reimbursement and um in an effort to

3355
02:07:27,290 --> 02:07:25,380
defuse the situation I removed some

3356
02:07:29,209 --> 02:07:27,300
material from the Dreamland Resort

3357
02:07:32,089 --> 02:07:29,219
website although I believe that it was

3358
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,099
legally obtained and legal to publish

3359
02:07:36,649 --> 02:07:34,320
I'm not sharing anything on my website

3360
02:07:39,470 --> 02:07:36,659
that cannot be found on dozens of other

3361
02:07:41,209 --> 02:07:39,480
websites and news outlets uh considering

3362
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,219
how this went down I have no intention

3363
02:07:46,370 --> 02:07:43,679
of removing any more material unless

3364
02:07:49,250 --> 02:07:46,380
ordered to do so by a federal judge I

3365
02:07:50,990 --> 02:07:49,260
believe the search executed with uh the

3366
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:51,000
search executed with completely

3367
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,040
unnecessary Force

3368
02:07:57,770 --> 02:07:55,920
by overzealous government agents was

3369
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:57,780
meant as a message to silence the area

3370
02:08:04,850 --> 02:08:00,719
51 research Community the question now

3371
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:04,860
is how far will they go

3372
02:08:09,470 --> 02:08:06,840
I don't know yeah I don't know how far

3373
02:08:11,689 --> 02:08:09,480
they'll go but this is scary again 2022

3374
02:08:14,990 --> 02:08:11,699
this stuff is still happening but who

3375
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:15,000
knows man yeah maybe it was one photo or

3376
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:17,040
um like you said maybe he just got an

3377
02:08:20,450 --> 02:08:18,480
angle of something that he shouldn't

3378
02:08:22,370 --> 02:08:20,460
have and this probably happens more

3379
02:08:24,890 --> 02:08:22,380
often than we know to be completely

3380
02:08:26,990 --> 02:08:24,900
honest but arnu was just willing to come

3381
02:08:29,089 --> 02:08:27,000
forward and talk about it publicly so

3382
02:08:31,790 --> 02:08:29,099
yeah anything else to add to this story

3383
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,800
before we move on just that I feel for

3384
02:08:35,149 --> 02:08:33,599
the guy I seriously feel for the guy you

3385
02:08:37,850 --> 02:08:35,159
know I think all he's genuinely trying

3386
02:08:39,950 --> 02:08:37,860
to do is provide information to to the

3387
02:08:41,689 --> 02:08:39,960
general public like myself and you do

3388
02:08:43,550 --> 02:08:41,699
and he's doing it in his own way and

3389
02:08:45,709 --> 02:08:43,560
it's unfortunate that this happened to

3390
02:08:47,089 --> 02:08:45,719
him so my my heart goes out to him you

3391
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:47,099
know I hope it all gets figured out in

3392
02:08:51,649 --> 02:08:48,960
the right way and he doesn't get

3393
02:08:53,510 --> 02:08:51,659
any further you know struggles and

3394
02:08:54,890 --> 02:08:53,520
problems placed upon him and his

3395
02:08:56,450 --> 02:08:54,900
family's life and his you know

3396
02:08:58,370 --> 02:08:56,460
livelihood

3397
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:58,380
absolutely I couldn't agree more

3398
02:09:02,689 --> 02:09:00,960
absolutely best of luck to him um I do

3399
02:09:04,510 --> 02:09:02,699
know he has a GoFundMe set up to help

3400
02:09:06,350 --> 02:09:04,520
with legal expenses so go to

3401
02:09:09,169 --> 02:09:06,360
dreamlandresort.com guys if you want to

3402
02:09:10,430 --> 02:09:09,179
help our new in his fight to get his

3403
02:09:12,709 --> 02:09:10,440
stuff back it doesn't even have his

3404
02:09:14,750 --> 02:09:12,719
freaking cell phone like after the raid

3405
02:09:17,450 --> 02:09:14,760
he wasn't able to contact anyone because

3406
02:09:19,790 --> 02:09:17,460
he couldn't uh just that's that's the

3407
02:09:21,770 --> 02:09:19,800
kind of stuff that pisses me off um

3408
02:09:24,589 --> 02:09:21,780
let's move on to things that didn't piss

3409
02:09:27,530 --> 02:09:24,599
us off Vinnie we had some amazing

3410
02:09:29,209 --> 02:09:27,540
documentaries come out this this year

3411
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:29,219
um I know there were a lot but we're

3412
02:09:34,189 --> 02:09:30,719
going to talk about kind of two of them

3413
02:09:36,109 --> 02:09:34,199
that really really uh really struck a

3414
02:09:37,930 --> 02:09:36,119
chord with people and that was aerial

3415
02:09:40,430 --> 02:09:37,940
phenomenon by Rendell Nickerson

3416
02:09:41,689 --> 02:09:40,440
documentary about the aerial School UFO

3417
02:09:43,609 --> 02:09:41,699
incident

3418
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:43,619
um I think I have do I have an image for

3419
02:09:49,370 --> 02:09:47,040
that let me see I do there we go

3420
02:09:52,430 --> 02:09:49,380
um amazing film um you know this

3421
02:09:55,550 --> 02:09:52,440
followed uh Harvard Professor a BBC War

3422
02:09:56,810 --> 02:09:55,560
reporter and past students uh of this

3423
02:09:58,370 --> 02:09:56,820
case

3424
02:09:59,570 --> 02:09:58,380
um and their struggle to answer the

3425
02:10:01,010 --> 02:09:59,580
question what happens when you

3426
02:10:03,890 --> 02:10:01,020
experience something so extraordinary

3427
02:10:06,770 --> 02:10:03,900
that nobody believes you I know you saw

3428
02:10:08,030 --> 02:10:06,780
the film what'd you think of it and uh

3429
02:10:09,649 --> 02:10:08,040
yeah yeah what do you think of this

3430
02:10:11,330 --> 02:10:09,659
entire case

3431
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:11,340
it's definitely a case that I've been

3432
02:10:15,890 --> 02:10:12,960
following since I first heard of it many

3433
02:10:19,010 --> 02:10:15,900
years ago and over the last sort of uh

3434
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:19,020
18 months I had private conversations

3435
02:10:24,350 --> 02:10:21,840
with some of the the kids the witnesses

3436
02:10:25,490 --> 02:10:24,360
uh um who weren't Unfortunately they

3437
02:10:27,470 --> 02:10:25,500
didn't want to come forward and have

3438
02:10:29,810 --> 02:10:27,480
face-to-face interviews and I fully

3439
02:10:31,010 --> 02:10:29,820
respect that but you know we knew that

3440
02:10:32,990 --> 02:10:31,020
Randall had been working on this

3441
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:33,000
documentary for many years you know it

3442
02:10:36,830 --> 02:10:34,800
was there was a lot of questions going

3443
02:10:38,330 --> 02:10:36,840
when's this going to come out and no one

3444
02:10:40,850 --> 02:10:38,340
really knew and then all of a sudden the

3445
02:10:41,629 --> 02:10:40,860
promos came and I was so happy for that

3446
02:10:45,229 --> 02:10:41,639
and

3447
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:45,239
one of those podcasts that got to

3448
02:10:50,930 --> 02:10:49,440
interview Randall and it was amazing the

3449
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:50,940
one thing I will say very very briefly

3450
02:10:55,010 --> 02:10:53,520
is that before we go live on these

3451
02:10:56,570 --> 02:10:55,020
interviews and you you might feel the

3452
02:10:58,370 --> 02:10:56,580
same you have conversations with these

3453
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:58,380
people and it turns out me and Randall

3454
02:11:04,609 --> 02:11:00,960
have a couple of places where I grew up

3455
02:11:06,770 --> 02:11:04,619
in common you know and we we oh wow in

3456
02:11:08,810 --> 02:11:06,780
instantly connected on that so leading

3457
02:11:11,450 --> 02:11:08,820
into when the interview went live we had

3458
02:11:12,890 --> 02:11:11,460
that relaxed atmosphere around us and I

3459
02:11:14,689 --> 02:11:12,900
felt like that really broke down some

3460
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:14,699
things and it became one of my favorite

3461
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:16,560
interviews and Randall's just an awesome

3462
02:11:20,330 --> 02:11:18,960
guy the story is an awesome story and no

3463
02:11:22,850 --> 02:11:20,340
matter what anybody thinks about the

3464
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:22,860
aerial case it's solidified as one of

3465
02:11:26,510 --> 02:11:24,239
the I think one of the most important

3466
02:11:28,189 --> 02:11:26,520
cases that we've discussed here in the

3467
02:11:31,729 --> 02:11:28,199
community in the last

3468
02:11:34,490 --> 02:11:31,739
five years if not the last decade

3469
02:11:37,250 --> 02:11:34,500
agreed absolutely well let's talk about

3470
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:37,260
another highly controversial case that a

3471
02:11:40,970 --> 02:11:38,880
lot of people didn't know about but they

3472
02:11:43,010 --> 02:11:40,980
sure as hell do know and that is the

3473
02:11:46,129 --> 02:11:43,020
vargenia case and this is brought To Us

3474
02:11:49,370 --> 02:11:46,139
by the one and only James Fox filmmaker

3475
02:11:52,189 --> 02:11:49,380
who made the breakout film uh the

3476
02:11:53,629 --> 02:11:52,199
phenomenon and this was his follow-up uh

3477
02:11:56,629 --> 02:11:53,639
you know he was gonna cover the Virginia

3478
02:11:58,609 --> 02:11:56,639
case in phenomenon but had to cut it out

3479
02:12:01,070 --> 02:11:58,619
you know due to time limits so what did

3480
02:12:03,530 --> 02:12:01,080
he do what any good filmmaker does he

3481
02:12:08,450 --> 02:12:03,540
made an entire other movie out of the

3482
02:12:10,490 --> 02:12:08,460
one case and uh man he just went hit the

3483
02:12:13,129 --> 02:12:10,500
ground running with this one some

3484
02:12:15,229 --> 02:12:13,139
amazing Bombshells were dropped in that

3485
02:12:16,910 --> 02:12:15,239
film people who've never come forward

3486
02:12:19,430 --> 02:12:16,920
came forward

3487
02:12:21,169 --> 02:12:19,440
um so yeah for any of our viewers who

3488
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:21,179
may not be familiar with the case Vinnie

3489
02:12:25,850 --> 02:12:23,040
would you mind maybe giving us your

3490
02:12:27,410 --> 02:12:25,860
personal kind of like I guess rundown of

3491
02:12:28,850 --> 02:12:27,420
the case and what it means to you did

3492
02:12:31,910 --> 02:12:28,860
you know about this case prior to the

3493
02:12:34,609 --> 02:12:31,920
film I did yeah absolutely I mean all I

3494
02:12:37,970 --> 02:12:34,619
really knew about it was 1996 there were

3495
02:12:41,750 --> 02:12:37,980
uh you know it's not a very well hugely

3496
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:41,760
populated area of Brazil but you know

3497
02:12:45,350 --> 02:12:43,679
um the case was that the people saw a

3498
02:12:46,729 --> 02:12:45,360
craft in trouble

3499
02:12:49,490 --> 02:12:46,739
you know really close to the ground

3500
02:12:52,189 --> 02:12:49,500
which you know ended up in a crash I

3501
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:52,199
knew about the one crash witness uh

3502
02:12:56,169 --> 02:12:54,480
leading to probably the most well-known

3503
02:12:58,430 --> 02:12:56,179
part of the story was the three girls

3504
02:13:01,490 --> 02:12:58,440
witnessing a being

3505
02:13:04,669 --> 02:13:01,500
in trouble in in part of a Small Town

3506
02:13:05,930 --> 02:13:04,679
Virginia and that was you know featured

3507
02:13:08,810 --> 02:13:05,940
in a very early

3508
02:13:10,669 --> 02:13:08,820
James uh fox interview from probably

3509
02:13:13,010 --> 02:13:10,679
around a decade ago correct me if I'm

3510
02:13:14,930 --> 02:13:13,020
wrong and I think that was kind of

3511
02:13:17,629 --> 02:13:14,940
really what we knew there wasn't many

3512
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:17,639
details and depth on the story and so

3513
02:13:21,350 --> 02:13:19,440
like you said when we found out that

3514
02:13:23,810 --> 02:13:21,360
James was doing a full documentary on

3515
02:13:26,629 --> 02:13:23,820
this and we knew he wanted to touch upon

3516
02:13:29,569 --> 02:13:26,639
on on this in the phenomenon he didn't

3517
02:13:30,770 --> 02:13:29,579
it was it built expectations up to you

3518
02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:30,780
know this is this is going to be

3519
02:13:35,450 --> 02:13:33,840
something and and it was now I think the

3520
02:13:37,370 --> 02:13:35,460
one thing I will say is that it did

3521
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:37,380
Garner some criticism when it came out

3522
02:13:43,010 --> 02:13:39,119
because it didn't really provide any

3523
02:13:45,649 --> 02:13:43,020
proof or evidence it only really went on

3524
02:13:48,770 --> 02:13:45,659
witness testimony but as someone who's

3525
02:13:50,830 --> 02:13:48,780
been out to a foreign country and to

3526
02:13:53,810 --> 02:13:50,840
investigate a case and film something

3527
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:53,820
you can only put out what you get and

3528
02:13:58,750 --> 02:13:56,880
James did the best that he could and he

3529
02:14:01,189 --> 02:13:58,760
had a great team of researchers

3530
02:14:02,750 --> 02:14:01,199
supporting him on this Brazilian

3531
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:02,760
researchers that had been looking into

3532
02:14:07,430 --> 02:14:05,520
this case for many years I think he

3533
02:14:10,250 --> 02:14:07,440
brought forward more testimony than has

3534
02:14:12,589 --> 02:14:10,260
ever been seen since the mid 90s so in

3535
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:12,599
my eyes he did a phenomenal job yes we'd

3536
02:14:16,370 --> 02:14:14,639
like to see more but for anyone out

3537
02:14:20,050 --> 02:14:16,380
there that's criticizing all I will say

3538
02:14:23,810 --> 02:14:20,060
is go and do a better job

3539
02:14:26,569 --> 02:14:23,820
that's the answer I give anyone yeah you

3540
02:14:28,910 --> 02:14:26,579
want yeah you got criticism that's fine

3541
02:14:31,850 --> 02:14:28,920
like we need that as content producers

3542
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:31,860
as researchers yeah like feedback is

3543
02:14:36,649 --> 02:14:34,560
essential otherwise we never grow but

3544
02:14:39,530 --> 02:14:36,659
you know if it's if it gets to the point

3545
02:14:42,169 --> 02:14:39,540
where you're like you know you suck at

3546
02:14:44,229 --> 02:14:42,179
this then go do it yourself that's what

3547
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:44,239
I tell people

3548
02:14:48,530 --> 02:14:46,560
trust me there's other things I could be

3549
02:14:50,629 --> 02:14:48,540
doing with my life but I love UFOs too

3550
02:14:52,790 --> 02:14:50,639
much to let it go so thank you to

3551
02:14:54,830 --> 02:14:52,800
everyone who's still watching dude our

3552
02:14:56,810 --> 02:14:54,840
numbers have gone up and we're two hours

3553
02:15:00,350 --> 02:14:56,820
and 15 minutes in that never happens

3554
02:15:02,330 --> 02:15:00,360
they usually go down but this is

3555
02:15:03,350 --> 02:15:02,340
fantastic thank you Vinnie for sticking

3556
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:03,360
around brother

3557
02:15:07,310 --> 02:15:05,520
um my pleasure let's move thank you

3558
02:15:08,990 --> 02:15:07,320
let's move on we're gonna just go

3559
02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:09,000
through these really quick

3560
02:15:15,229 --> 02:15:10,380
um I'm not gonna play videos or anything

3561
02:15:18,350 --> 02:15:15,239
but we have a James Webb Telescope uh

3562
02:15:21,410 --> 02:15:18,360
produced its first images and holy hell

3563
02:15:23,569 --> 02:15:21,420
are these things gorgeous man NASA

3564
02:15:26,270 --> 02:15:23,579
revealed the first five full color

3565
02:15:28,510 --> 02:15:26,280
images and uh the world got its first

3566
02:15:30,649 --> 02:15:28,520
look at the capabilities of this Mission

3567
02:15:32,750 --> 02:15:30,659
astronomers anticipate the telescope

3568
02:15:35,870 --> 02:15:32,760
will spark a golden age in our

3569
02:15:38,510 --> 02:15:35,880
understanding of the cosmos scientists

3570
02:15:40,850 --> 02:15:38,520
uh also want to study planets outside

3571
02:15:43,550 --> 02:15:40,860
the solar system for a variety of

3572
02:15:46,490 --> 02:15:43,560
reasons and um they actually got some

3573
02:15:48,530 --> 02:15:46,500
images of an exoplanet and the

3574
02:15:50,830 --> 02:15:48,540
discoveries of water and methane for

3575
02:15:54,410 --> 02:15:50,840
example could be signs of potential

3576
02:15:56,209 --> 02:15:54,420
habitability or biological activity so

3577
02:15:58,430 --> 02:15:56,219
the closer we get to these things man

3578
02:16:01,069 --> 02:15:58,440
the clearer the images are going to be

3579
02:16:03,050 --> 02:16:01,079
so yeah what did you think when you

3580
02:16:05,629 --> 02:16:03,060
finally saw the images that we had been

3581
02:16:07,970 --> 02:16:05,639
uh hoping for for so long

3582
02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:07,980
I mean it's a beautiful thing isn't it I

3583
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,079
mean I'm very lucky because we have Dan

3584
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:12,719
zestrom as part of our team so you know

3585
02:16:15,890 --> 02:16:14,159
the moment these things were out they

3586
02:16:17,330 --> 02:16:15,900
were in our private chat going guys

3587
02:16:19,790 --> 02:16:17,340
check this out you know he's all over

3588
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:19,800
this kind of thing and you know I love

3589
02:16:24,050 --> 02:16:22,320
anything to do with uh astronomy and

3590
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:24,060
that so yeah I mean the moment I saw

3591
02:16:29,390 --> 02:16:25,920
them I was like the pure beauty of them

3592
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:29,400
the the realization of the advancement

3593
02:16:33,650 --> 02:16:30,960
of the technology that we've got now

3594
02:16:35,690 --> 02:16:33,660
that James Webb has been released and

3595
02:16:38,030 --> 02:16:35,700
found its way there and that was always

3596
02:16:39,770 --> 02:16:38,040
a big deal as well it was the launch and

3597
02:16:41,150 --> 02:16:39,780
it was getting there positioning itself

3598
02:16:44,810 --> 02:16:41,160
in the place that it needed to be

3599
02:16:47,450 --> 02:16:44,820
enabled it to get these images and thank

3600
02:16:49,370 --> 02:16:47,460
goodness that it did all of that in

3601
02:16:51,290 --> 02:16:49,380
Perfect Harmony and then here we are

3602
02:16:52,969 --> 02:16:51,300
here are the results and it's beautiful

3603
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:52,979
and I'm just so happy and looking

3604
02:16:56,990 --> 02:16:54,719
forward to the future of what what it

3605
02:16:59,209 --> 02:16:57,000
can provide us with

3606
02:17:02,830 --> 02:16:59,219
absolutely and I think that's the thing

3607
02:17:05,209 --> 02:17:02,840
that really uh strikes me is the

3608
02:17:07,610 --> 02:17:05,219
accuracy in which these things have to

3609
02:17:11,870 --> 02:17:07,620
happen the math involved the uh

3610
02:17:14,990 --> 02:17:11,880
contingency plans I can't even imagine

3611
02:17:16,190 --> 02:17:15,000
the pressure on the people who made this

3612
02:17:19,490 --> 02:17:16,200
happen

3613
02:17:22,490 --> 02:17:19,500
um so Kudos kudos to them for this for

3614
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:22,500
changing Humanity forever and uh

3615
02:17:25,790 --> 02:17:23,760
progressing us forward in our

3616
02:17:27,770 --> 02:17:25,800
understanding of the cosmos

3617
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:27,780
um another big one that broke in

3618
02:17:35,450 --> 02:17:32,399
September is NASA intentionally moves in

3619
02:17:39,889 --> 02:17:35,460
Asteroid dude this is like the stuff of

3620
02:17:41,750 --> 02:17:39,899
Hollywood I love this uh NASA's first

3621
02:17:43,549 --> 02:17:41,760
attempt at changing the path of an

3622
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:43,559
asteroid succeeded

3623
02:17:47,690 --> 02:17:45,840
um so before I read any further I do

3624
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:47,700
want to play this video there's footage

3625
02:17:52,610 --> 02:17:51,120
of the actual Collision happening and um

3626
02:17:54,410 --> 02:17:52,620
you can hear the excitement in the

3627
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:54,420
voices of the dark team so let me play

3628
02:17:57,730 --> 02:17:56,639
that really quickly oh my goodness look

3629
02:18:01,849 --> 02:17:57,740
at that

3630
02:18:11,570 --> 02:18:03,530
looks to me like we're headed straight

3631
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:15,849
oh my gosh oh wow yeah

3632
02:18:21,410 --> 02:18:19,920
oh my goodness yeah seven and six wow

3633
02:18:24,169 --> 02:18:21,420
four

3634
02:18:27,230 --> 02:18:24,179
three two

3635
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:28,929
oh my gosh

3636
02:18:39,860 --> 02:18:36,420
oh

3637
02:18:42,910 --> 02:18:39,870
[Applause]

3638
02:18:46,969 --> 02:18:42,920
[Music]

3639
02:18:48,889 --> 02:18:46,979
and we have impact we try and lead for

3640
02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:48,899
Humanity in the name of planetary

3641
02:18:55,629 --> 02:18:50,719
defense

3642
02:18:57,950 --> 02:18:55,639
fantastic oh fantastic

3643
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:57,960
I think that's the like first time

3644
02:19:01,129 --> 02:19:00,000
you've seen people cheered aloud for a

3645
02:19:04,310 --> 02:19:01,139
camera

3646
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:04,320
um going like dead uh and that's what

3647
02:19:09,770 --> 02:19:07,200
should happen so yeah man planetary

3648
02:19:11,330 --> 02:19:09,780
defense look we've had some close calls

3649
02:19:14,530 --> 02:19:11,340
in the past we're gonna have them again

3650
02:19:17,389 --> 02:19:14,540
like this could be how the world

3651
02:19:20,209 --> 02:19:17,399
ostensibly ends someday hopefully not

3652
02:19:22,129 --> 02:19:20,219
anytime soon but look we now have the

3653
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:22,139
capabilities to move an asteroid that

3654
02:19:26,810 --> 02:19:24,240
could be coming towards Earth so yeah

3655
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:26,820
yeah what'd you think of um of Dart

3656
02:19:31,969 --> 02:19:28,559
which I love the name by the way double

3657
02:19:33,530 --> 02:19:31,979
asteroid redirection test I absolutely

3658
02:19:36,049 --> 02:19:33,540
love it Ryan and I think the funny thing

3659
02:19:37,129 --> 02:19:36,059
was from that night was I log into all

3660
02:19:38,750 --> 02:19:37,139
of these things and watch them live

3661
02:19:40,730 --> 02:19:38,760
whether it be rocket launches or

3662
02:19:43,490 --> 02:19:40,740
anything to do with space I I watch them

3663
02:19:45,230 --> 02:19:43,500
all live when I can and this one I was

3664
02:19:47,570 --> 02:19:45,240
like yes I'm so hyped for this and it

3665
02:19:49,370 --> 02:19:47,580
went live and we saw that dot on the

3666
02:19:50,750 --> 02:19:49,380
screen there there it is there's the

3667
02:19:52,670 --> 02:19:50,760
asteroid and I was like okay this is

3668
02:19:55,010 --> 02:19:52,680
cool and I'm there and I'm like

3669
02:19:56,990 --> 02:19:55,020
15 minutes 20 minutes in and it's not

3670
02:20:00,349 --> 02:19:57,000
getting any bigger and I'm like

3671
02:20:02,929 --> 02:20:00,359
okay I'm gonna be here for a while so I

3672
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:02,939
started in my own head I started

3673
02:20:06,590 --> 02:20:04,560
predicting how long it would take until

3674
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:06,600
the picture became big I was like I

3675
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,920
think based on this it's going to be

3676
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:10,080
like two hours so I'm gonna log out I'm

3677
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,479
gonna come back in two hours and of

3678
02:20:16,250 --> 02:20:14,640
course I completely miscalculated and

3679
02:20:18,650 --> 02:20:16,260
logged in and it was it was all

3680
02:20:20,030 --> 02:20:18,660
celebrations of course who am I to try

3681
02:20:21,650 --> 02:20:20,040
and judge that kind of thing but that

3682
02:20:23,570 --> 02:20:21,660
was me trying to be clever thinking I'm

3683
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:23,580
gonna like I'll just log in in two hours

3684
02:20:27,230 --> 02:20:25,200
and they'll probably be close to it and

3685
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:27,240
then I'll see the impact but all in all

3686
02:20:31,070 --> 02:20:29,280
it was obviously a great Mission it was

3687
02:20:33,710 --> 02:20:31,080
uh like you said something out of a

3688
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:33,720
Hollywood movie and yeah I mean it kind

3689
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:36,240
of it does put some kind of Ease on you

3690
02:20:39,650 --> 02:20:37,680
that if this was something that was

3691
02:20:41,809 --> 02:20:39,660
headed towards Earth like we see in the

3692
02:20:45,469 --> 02:20:41,819
movies then maybe we'd have a chance at

3693
02:20:46,250 --> 02:20:45,479
like averting a disaster so yeah cool

3694
02:20:49,969 --> 02:20:46,260
stuff

3695
02:20:53,210 --> 02:20:49,979
like they are taken by surprise and it's

3696
02:20:55,490 --> 02:20:53,220
too late at that point or you said the

3697
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:55,500
drill I was gonna say in the movies they

3698
02:21:01,570 --> 02:20:57,680
send people up with it to do it

3699
02:21:05,450 --> 02:21:01,580
yeah I don't see that happen at any time

3700
02:21:08,510 --> 02:21:05,460
you know who might send people up in the

3701
02:21:10,309 --> 02:21:08,520
future to the moon and to Mars that's

3702
02:21:11,690 --> 02:21:10,319
the Artemis Mission

3703
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,700
um that's kind of the last space story I

3704
02:21:17,450 --> 02:21:13,680
want to cover with you my man uh we had

3705
02:21:21,530 --> 02:21:17,460
the Artemis finally launch after so many

3706
02:21:23,809 --> 02:21:21,540
false starts and and bureaucracy this

3707
02:21:27,290 --> 02:21:23,819
that God the drama behind this mission

3708
02:21:29,330 --> 02:21:27,300
for so many years is just insane

3709
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:29,340
um the Orion spacecraft finally began

3710
02:21:34,429 --> 02:21:31,680
its maiden voyage into space leading the

3711
02:21:36,650 --> 02:21:34,439
us back to the moon the mission AKA

3712
02:21:38,090 --> 02:21:36,660
Artemis one is a flight test and the

3713
02:21:40,849 --> 02:21:38,100
beginning of NASA's return to the

3714
02:21:42,530 --> 02:21:40,859
astronaut LED deep space exploration the

3715
02:21:45,770 --> 02:21:42,540
campaign will eventually send people to

3716
02:21:49,849 --> 02:21:45,780
the moon and perhaps one day even Mars

3717
02:21:52,130 --> 02:21:49,859
and and if I'm correct the capsule just

3718
02:21:54,530 --> 02:21:52,140
landed like yeah in the last day or so

3719
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:54,540
right yeah that's right yeah yeah

3720
02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:57,600
okay did you catch that one live or no I

3721
02:22:01,190 --> 02:21:59,040
didn't know unfortunately I think with

3722
02:22:04,190 --> 02:22:01,200
the time of day just with life and

3723
02:22:05,570 --> 02:22:04,200
family stuff it it didn't happen but the

3724
02:22:07,130 --> 02:22:05,580
one thing I will say about the art of

3725
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:07,140
his mission is that this was the first

3726
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,840
story that I was able to discuss with my

3727
02:22:13,070 --> 02:22:11,280
daughter this is where the kind of

3728
02:22:15,410 --> 02:22:13,080
Romance of this whole subject comes in

3729
02:22:18,170 --> 02:22:15,420
my daughter just turned five and she's

3730
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:18,180
obsessed with space and a lot of what I

3731
02:22:21,889 --> 02:22:20,160
talk about with her is that she's going

3732
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:21,899
to be able to see things happen in her

3733
02:22:27,290 --> 02:22:24,240
lifetime that I never I was never really

3734
02:22:30,770 --> 02:22:27,300
able to see you know we stopped going to

3735
02:22:32,450 --> 02:22:30,780
the Moon in what 72 I was born in 77. so

3736
02:22:34,130 --> 02:22:32,460
I never got to see that now we're in an

3737
02:22:36,650 --> 02:22:34,140
era where it's all happening again and

3738
02:22:38,450 --> 02:22:36,660
is picking up and so knowing that she's

3739
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:38,460
had an interesting space from the age of

3740
02:22:43,610 --> 02:22:41,280
three I was really purposely reading his

3741
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:43,620
Facebook obviously but we get to that

3742
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,600
point where she's interested in rockets

3743
02:22:48,770 --> 02:22:47,040
and that she she's like Daddy I'm

3744
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:48,780
drawing Rockets I'm drawing aliens I'm

3745
02:22:53,630 --> 02:22:51,120
drawing Spacemen on that so I'm

3746
02:22:55,849 --> 02:22:53,640
literally I'm raising you know a a

3747
02:22:57,290 --> 02:22:55,859
really beautiful little girl who's

3748
02:22:59,450 --> 02:22:57,300
interested in this kind of thing and

3749
02:23:01,849 --> 02:22:59,460
she's starting to take note and starting

3750
02:23:03,530 --> 02:23:01,859
to watch these live rocket launches with

3751
02:23:05,630 --> 02:23:03,540
me so Artemis was the first one that

3752
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:05,640
we've really sat down and done together

3753
02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:08,880
and now you know here we are and that

3754
02:23:13,610 --> 02:23:11,280
just gives me hope for the future of not

3755
02:23:15,230 --> 02:23:13,620
only my family but the future of like

3756
02:23:17,690 --> 02:23:15,240
the human race that we're finally going

3757
02:23:20,330 --> 02:23:17,700
back out into space and advancing these

3758
02:23:23,270 --> 02:23:20,340
things that we have neglected maybe for

3759
02:23:25,790 --> 02:23:23,280
40 odd years you know yeah that's

3760
02:23:27,710 --> 02:23:25,800
beautiful man I love hearing that Ah

3761
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:27,720
that's awesome yeah and these are the

3762
02:23:30,710 --> 02:23:29,280
moments she's she and you are going to

3763
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:30,720
remember the rest of your lives and

3764
02:23:34,910 --> 02:23:32,640
absolutely everyone knows where they

3765
02:23:37,790 --> 02:23:34,920
were when you know we first landed on

3766
02:23:40,910 --> 02:23:37,800
the moon and and all that so yeah I

3767
02:23:43,010 --> 02:23:40,920
think again uh bravo bravo to everyone

3768
02:23:45,230 --> 02:23:43,020
at Nasa these missions are finally all

3769
02:23:46,490 --> 02:23:45,240
kind of happening and it takes time

3770
02:23:49,130 --> 02:23:46,500
that's what happens when you have a

3771
02:23:51,290 --> 02:23:49,140
government-funded project so God bless

3772
02:23:53,450 --> 02:23:51,300
uh the private space sector too for

3773
02:23:56,090 --> 02:23:53,460
helping out with a lot of this no matter

3774
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:56,100
your thoughts on Mr musk like he is a

3775
02:24:00,530 --> 02:23:58,080
big reason this thing finally launched

3776
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,540
let's be completely honest so

3777
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:02,880
yeah yeah it's pretty cool

3778
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:06,000
um well hey let's move Vinnie to the

3779
02:24:11,570 --> 02:24:08,880
stories that um didn't quite make the

3780
02:24:15,230 --> 02:24:11,580
top tier but they were honorable

3781
02:24:17,090 --> 02:24:15,240
honorable mentions this year um I've got

3782
02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:17,100
a few of them right here that I'm going

3783
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:19,200
to go through and then I want your

3784
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:20,880
personal ones these are some of the ones

3785
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:22,560
I kind of dug up

3786
02:24:27,230 --> 02:24:24,720
um we've got the seven news documentary

3787
02:24:30,110 --> 02:24:27,240
by Ross culthart that came out the UFO

3788
02:24:32,270 --> 02:24:30,120
phenomenon and I kind of jokingly put

3789
02:24:35,389 --> 02:24:32,280
the the metal ball picture there because

3790
02:24:36,590 --> 02:24:35,399
that's all oh yes but so much was in the

3791
02:24:38,150 --> 02:24:36,600
documentary

3792
02:24:40,610 --> 02:24:38,160
um so I do highly suggest people go

3793
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:40,620
check it out Ross does an incredible job

3794
02:24:44,990 --> 02:24:42,960
of compiling this stuff and making it

3795
02:24:47,090 --> 02:24:45,000
very accessible for the mainstream and

3796
02:24:49,010 --> 02:24:47,100
for Australia again I think but yeah

3797
02:24:51,230 --> 02:24:49,020
yeah thank God we got him out there

3798
02:24:54,469 --> 02:24:51,240
fighting the fight and doing that

3799
02:24:55,730 --> 02:24:54,479
um we also have the new insignia for the

3800
02:24:58,490 --> 02:24:55,740
office of Director of National

3801
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:58,500
Intelligence new uh Cayman went pretty

3802
02:25:03,710 --> 02:25:01,200
damn quick but you see it right there

3803
02:25:05,030 --> 02:25:03,720
um this was a weird story I still don't

3804
02:25:07,849 --> 02:25:05,040
know what to make of it I don't think

3805
02:25:10,010 --> 02:25:07,859
anyone does but you'll see there in the

3806
02:25:12,349 --> 02:25:10,020
lower left corner of that Insignia

3807
02:25:16,010 --> 02:25:12,359
little flying saucer and then a day

3808
02:25:17,809 --> 02:25:16,020
later it was taken out so crazy story

3809
02:25:19,730 --> 02:25:17,819
what did you think of that man that that

3810
02:25:22,010 --> 02:25:19,740
kind of took us all by surprise I would

3811
02:25:24,050 --> 02:25:22,020
say it was huge wasn't it the moment

3812
02:25:25,790 --> 02:25:24,060
that came out out of nowhere it was huge

3813
02:25:28,670 --> 02:25:25,800
you know Nim Aviation was the Talk of

3814
02:25:30,770 --> 02:25:28,680
the Town for 24 hours and everyone was

3815
02:25:32,690 --> 02:25:30,780
getting hyped everyone was thinking you

3816
02:25:34,730 --> 02:25:32,700
know what is it all about we started

3817
02:25:37,790 --> 02:25:34,740
working out that the aircraft were

3818
02:25:39,469 --> 02:25:37,800
um adversarial and yeah it was a huge

3819
02:25:41,990 --> 02:25:39,479
Conversation Piece all across social

3820
02:25:44,510 --> 02:25:42,000
media and probably in the aviation world

3821
02:25:46,690 --> 02:25:44,520
as well and and then then like you said

3822
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:46,700
it was boom gone

3823
02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:49,920
someone got fired that day I guarantee

3824
02:25:56,330 --> 02:25:53,280
that I guarantee it and you got it you

3825
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:56,340
broke a lot of UFO Hearts but um hey it

3826
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,800
is what it is

3827
02:26:03,230 --> 02:26:00,720
um well here's another one nation's

3828
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:03,240
largest Center for historical records on

3829
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:05,520
UFOs to be established in New Mexico and

3830
02:26:09,889 --> 02:26:08,160
that is with Mr David marlar a book I

3831
02:26:12,650 --> 02:26:09,899
know you're diving deep into right now

3832
02:26:14,990 --> 02:26:12,660
on triangular UFOs you did an awesome

3833
02:26:17,450 --> 02:26:15,000
kind of um book recommendation Instagram

3834
02:26:19,730 --> 02:26:17,460
live so guys if you can go check that

3835
02:26:21,050 --> 02:26:19,740
out over on Vinnie's Instagram I caught

3836
02:26:24,770 --> 02:26:21,060
a little bit of it

3837
02:26:27,590 --> 02:26:24,780
um this is amazing you know I we both I

3838
02:26:29,210 --> 02:26:27,600
think interviewed David and you can see

3839
02:26:31,730 --> 02:26:29,220
this entire office in the background

3840
02:26:34,190 --> 02:26:31,740
when he's talking and it's just I'm just

3841
02:26:36,410 --> 02:26:34,200
like dripping with drool I'm like I

3842
02:26:39,730 --> 02:26:36,420
can't even imagine what's in those files

3843
02:26:42,410 --> 02:26:39,740
and it's just getting larger and larger

3844
02:26:45,469 --> 02:26:42,420
this this this amazing thing he's

3845
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:45,479
brought uh is amazing and he will invite

3846
02:26:50,690 --> 02:26:48,000
anyone out to come do that research

3847
02:26:53,929 --> 02:26:50,700
she's got the that kind of very not

3848
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:53,939
cliche but really iconic long table with

3849
02:26:59,389 --> 02:26:56,160
the green desk lamps and you can come

3850
02:27:02,809 --> 02:26:59,399
stay at his place and um and crash there

3851
02:27:04,910 --> 02:27:02,819
uh David if I'm wrong please let me know

3852
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:04,920
I hope I'm not making your house a

3853
02:27:10,490 --> 02:27:08,880
Airbnb right now on a live stream but um

3854
02:27:12,770 --> 02:27:10,500
yeah you can go do your research there

3855
02:27:15,050 --> 02:27:12,780
so first question Vinnie what do you

3856
02:27:17,150 --> 02:27:15,060
think about this and two when are you

3857
02:27:19,610 --> 02:27:17,160
going to New Mexico to spend a few

3858
02:27:21,230 --> 02:27:19,620
nights there great question on all

3859
02:27:24,290 --> 02:27:21,240
fronts I think it's really important

3860
02:27:26,270 --> 02:27:24,300
that we uh recognize the importance of

3861
02:27:28,670 --> 02:27:26,280
historical data when it comes to the UFO

3862
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:28,680
subject a lot of the focus in the last

3863
02:27:33,710 --> 02:27:31,680
few years has been from 20 2004 onwards

3864
02:27:35,210 --> 02:27:33,720
and I understand that when it comes to

3865
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:35,220
what the government's looking at but

3866
02:27:39,950 --> 02:27:37,439
something I've really picked upon with

3867
02:27:41,630 --> 02:27:39,960
the helps of great researchers like my

3868
02:27:44,090 --> 02:27:41,640
colleague and our friend Graham Randell

3869
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:44,100
is the historical data really adds

3870
02:27:49,010 --> 02:27:46,080
weight to what we're looking at even in

3871
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:49,020
Modern Times And now that we have this

3872
02:27:53,690 --> 02:27:51,600
new repository this new home for

3873
02:27:56,510 --> 02:27:53,700
historical records not just from the US

3874
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:56,520
but from all over the world with

3875
02:28:03,710 --> 02:27:59,760
historical uh archives from jail and

3876
02:28:05,389 --> 02:28:03,720
heinek nycap and so many others and

3877
02:28:07,370 --> 02:28:05,399
you're right when I spoke to David

3878
02:28:09,710 --> 02:28:07,380
Marler he did say if you're out here

3879
02:28:10,910 --> 02:28:09,720
come and visit and now it turns out that

3880
02:28:13,730 --> 02:28:10,920
I am actually going to be flying to

3881
02:28:15,110 --> 02:28:13,740
Albuquerque New Mexico in June of 2023

3882
02:28:17,210 --> 02:28:15,120
so

3883
02:28:21,290 --> 02:28:17,220
David oh my God I was totally joking

3884
02:28:25,010 --> 02:28:23,210
I am going to take him up on that offer

3885
02:28:26,330 --> 02:28:25,020
he was he was really and these this is

3886
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:26,340
another thing that I mentioned earlier

3887
02:28:30,050 --> 02:28:28,560
is when we we do these interviews with

3888
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:30,060
these prominent researchers and and

3889
02:28:34,309 --> 02:28:32,160
people is that the conversations before

3890
02:28:36,110 --> 02:28:34,319
you go live and after you go live are

3891
02:28:38,990 --> 02:28:36,120
some of the best conversations I've ever

3892
02:28:40,610 --> 02:28:39,000
had and with David it was like we need

3893
02:28:42,410 --> 02:28:40,620
to share a beer whether he's over here

3894
02:28:44,750 --> 02:28:42,420
in England or I'm over there and so it's

3895
02:28:48,849 --> 02:28:44,760
happening I'm flying to Albuquerque in

3896
02:28:54,530 --> 02:28:51,650
more to come guys at disclosure team and

3897
02:28:56,990 --> 02:28:54,540
UAP UK for sure

3898
02:28:59,630 --> 02:28:57,000
um my last honorable mention

3899
02:29:01,370 --> 02:28:59,640
um is Mr Christopher sharp over at The

3900
02:29:03,469 --> 02:29:01,380
Liberation times came out with an

3901
02:29:07,969 --> 02:29:03,479
article Air Force officer reprimanded

3902
02:29:10,010 --> 02:29:07,979
for reaching out to UAP task force now

3903
02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:10,020
um I know you and several others spoke

3904
02:29:14,030 --> 02:29:12,180
to Christopher Mellon back when his big

3905
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:14,040
article came out at the debrief about

3906
02:29:19,490 --> 02:29:16,319
where is the Air Force in all of this

3907
02:29:22,730 --> 02:29:19,500
they've been so silent and um and kind

3908
02:29:24,469 --> 02:29:22,740
of dodgy about all of it and this

3909
02:29:26,990 --> 02:29:24,479
article comes out and we learn from

3910
02:29:28,610 --> 02:29:27,000
Christopher sharp that uh an officer was

3911
02:29:30,110 --> 02:29:28,620
actually reprimanded for reaching out to

3912
02:29:32,210 --> 02:29:30,120
the task force

3913
02:29:33,950 --> 02:29:32,220
um look I know this protocol I know

3914
02:29:37,070 --> 02:29:33,960
there's you know a lot that goes into

3915
02:29:38,870 --> 02:29:37,080
this stuff but not only was he

3916
02:29:41,389 --> 02:29:38,880
reprimanded but they've also kind of

3917
02:29:45,050 --> 02:29:41,399
admitted that they're dissolving their

3918
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:45,060
whole kind of reporting system and

3919
02:29:49,610 --> 02:29:47,520
taking a back seat in this topic once

3920
02:29:51,349 --> 02:29:49,620
again so that's why I kind of put that

3921
02:29:54,349 --> 02:29:51,359
image there of that womp womp

3922
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:54,359
disappointed uh Air Force officer there

3923
02:29:58,670 --> 02:29:56,160
I thought it embodied it pretty well

3924
02:30:01,370 --> 02:29:58,680
what do you think man this pisses me off

3925
02:30:02,690 --> 02:30:01,380
we're back to the Air Force not wanting

3926
02:30:04,730 --> 02:30:02,700
to be a part of this

3927
02:30:06,830 --> 02:30:04,740
it does and I feel like the the Air

3928
02:30:08,210 --> 02:30:06,840
Force is still run by the old guard you

3929
02:30:10,610 --> 02:30:08,220
know we talk about this in in many

3930
02:30:13,490 --> 02:30:10,620
aspects of the UFO subject these are the

3931
02:30:15,530 --> 02:30:13,500
guys hanging on to the secrecy and they

3932
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:15,540
they'll do everything they can until the

3933
02:30:19,730 --> 02:30:17,280
last final minute when they just they're

3934
02:30:21,889 --> 02:30:19,740
outed but I think the Air Force being

3935
02:30:22,969 --> 02:30:21,899
the most prominent military branch that

3936
02:30:26,870 --> 02:30:22,979
really have

3937
02:30:29,870 --> 02:30:26,880
uh obfuscated this truth and I think

3938
02:30:32,809 --> 02:30:29,880
this is just the one of the latest cases

3939
02:30:35,210 --> 02:30:32,819
of them hanging on to withholding

3940
02:30:37,910 --> 02:30:35,220
information from the public domain

3941
02:30:39,710 --> 02:30:37,920
um and in that same sentence I will

3942
02:30:41,090 --> 02:30:39,720
shout out Christopher sharp for the

3943
02:30:42,830 --> 02:30:41,100
excellent work that he does I'm actually

3944
02:30:47,330 --> 02:30:42,840
recording a show with him tomorrow at

3945
02:30:49,309 --> 02:30:47,340
2PM uh yeah you know I've Got Friends In

3946
02:30:51,950 --> 02:30:49,319
The Air Force who have I've only

3947
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:51,960
recently made so I know from what I've

3948
02:30:56,090 --> 02:30:54,000
learned very recently that it is not the

3949
02:30:59,690 --> 02:30:56,100
Air Force as a general branch of the

3950
02:31:02,750 --> 02:30:59,700
military it is a small little Annex

3951
02:31:05,450 --> 02:31:02,760
buried within this that relates to the

3952
02:31:06,889 --> 02:31:05,460
the old guard as we mentioned that want

3953
02:31:08,990 --> 02:31:06,899
to keep a lid on this I think that's

3954
02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:09,000
going to break I think they're hanging

3955
02:31:13,670 --> 02:31:10,800
on by a thread and that maybe that's me

3956
02:31:16,309 --> 02:31:13,680
being positive but hey I'm all for

3957
02:31:18,410 --> 02:31:16,319
positivity so we'll see we'll see

3958
02:31:20,210 --> 02:31:18,420
that's why we love you man we need it we

3959
02:31:22,070 --> 02:31:20,220
need it wait those were my honorable

3960
02:31:23,990 --> 02:31:22,080
Merchants what did you come up with what

3961
02:31:26,690 --> 02:31:24,000
did I miss in all of this anything

3962
02:31:29,210 --> 02:31:26,700
really kind of go under the radar that

3963
02:31:32,510 --> 02:31:29,220
we didn't talk about tonight I think one

3964
02:31:35,929 --> 02:31:32,520
thing that was notable mid 2020 uh two

3965
02:31:39,469 --> 02:31:35,939
was uh Lu Elizondo uh finishing his

3966
02:31:41,690 --> 02:31:39,479
podcast appearances around June time and

3967
02:31:43,849 --> 02:31:41,700
and that made way for people like Gary

3968
02:31:45,349 --> 02:31:43,859
Nolan and Jim semivan to start doing

3969
02:31:48,349 --> 02:31:45,359
around so I want to kind of give a shout

3970
02:31:50,210 --> 02:31:48,359
out to Lou for everything he did and but

3971
02:31:51,650 --> 02:31:50,220
also to Gary Nolan and Jim semivan for

3972
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:51,660
coming forward with the information that

3973
02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:54,479
they were have been giving since then

3974
02:31:59,570 --> 02:31:57,359
um one kind of study that I feel kind of

3975
02:32:02,270 --> 02:31:59,580
did get a little bit of prominence was

3976
02:32:04,370 --> 02:32:02,280
the Ukraine UAP study caused a little

3977
02:32:06,410 --> 02:32:04,380
bit of controversy Avi Loeb kind of

3978
02:32:09,170 --> 02:32:06,420
weighed in on that that was interesting

3979
02:32:11,330 --> 02:32:09,180
and then I suppose the uh Wilson Davis

3980
02:32:13,550 --> 02:32:11,340
memo that was mentioned in the

3981
02:32:14,870 --> 02:32:13,560
Congressional hearings I gave I got to

3982
02:32:16,969 --> 02:32:14,880
give a shout out to Grant Cameron and

3983
02:32:19,010 --> 02:32:16,979
menenda Leslie for the releasing the oak

3984
02:32:21,050 --> 02:32:19,020
Shannon notes and the Jack Halpern Oaks

3985
02:32:22,910 --> 02:32:21,060
and also a shout out to Jay from Project

3986
02:32:24,889 --> 02:32:22,920
Unity for the interview without Shannon

3987
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:24,899
I think they were some kind of fairly

3988
02:32:27,830 --> 02:32:26,160
big things that came out in the last

3989
02:32:30,830 --> 02:32:27,840
year

3990
02:32:33,410 --> 02:32:30,840
that's fair absolutely man again like

3991
02:32:35,389 --> 02:32:33,420
thank you thank you to everyone who

3992
02:32:39,170 --> 02:32:35,399
contributed to any of this news this

3993
02:32:41,330 --> 02:32:39,180
year you know it makes uh it makes this

3994
02:32:43,490 --> 02:32:41,340
topic worth our time uh for us

3995
02:32:45,050 --> 02:32:43,500
researchers out there who sometimes when

3996
02:32:47,570 --> 02:32:45,060
we create content

3997
02:32:49,969 --> 02:32:47,580
are too busy to do some of this leg work

3998
02:32:52,370 --> 02:32:49,979
so we have you to thank for kind of

3999
02:32:54,050 --> 02:32:52,380
being the ones to go out and do that

4000
02:32:56,270 --> 02:32:54,060
um especially when you're working on two

4001
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:56,280
books and and other stuff like that what

4002
02:33:00,650 --> 02:32:59,280
I I don't know I don't know

4003
02:33:03,290 --> 02:33:00,660
but

4004
02:33:05,389 --> 02:33:03,300
um I want to move to Vinnie some sad

4005
02:33:07,309 --> 02:33:05,399
news and that's a couple people we lost

4006
02:33:09,950 --> 02:33:07,319
this year

4007
02:33:12,469 --> 02:33:09,960
um we had just days ago

4008
02:33:14,690 --> 02:33:12,479
um ajvard and we also had

4009
02:33:17,570 --> 02:33:14,700
um maybe a month or so ago forgive me

4010
02:33:19,429 --> 02:33:17,580
guys is uh Linda Godfrey I've had the

4011
02:33:22,250 --> 02:33:19,439
amazing pleasure to meet Linda on

4012
02:33:25,190 --> 02:33:22,260
several occasions never met AJ but my

4013
02:33:27,530 --> 02:33:25,200
God like two powerhouses in the UFO

4014
02:33:29,530 --> 02:33:27,540
field and the just the Unexplained Linda

4015
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:29,540
looked a lot into a lot of

4016
02:33:33,710 --> 02:33:32,399
cryptozoological stuff and um she was so

4017
02:33:36,349 --> 02:33:33,720
supportive of me when I first got

4018
02:33:38,809 --> 02:33:36,359
involved in this topic man like my I was

4019
02:33:40,849 --> 02:33:38,819
so scared when I first got involved in

4020
02:33:43,790 --> 02:33:40,859
the minute someone like criticized me

4021
02:33:45,110 --> 02:33:43,800
I'm like huh I'm done I'm quitting she's

4022
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:45,120
like yeah

4023
02:33:49,550 --> 02:33:47,520
get some thick skin there Sprague you

4024
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:49,560
got a long way to go buddy and trust me

4025
02:33:53,809 --> 02:33:51,840
it just gets harder especially for

4026
02:33:57,230 --> 02:33:53,819
females in this field so that meant a

4027
02:34:00,590 --> 02:33:57,240
lot coming from her so yeah yeah these

4028
02:34:02,750 --> 02:34:00,600
two will sorely sorely be missed in the

4029
02:34:03,650 --> 02:34:02,760
field uh did you ever meet AJ or talk to

4030
02:34:05,030 --> 02:34:03,660
him

4031
02:34:07,490 --> 02:34:05,040
I didn't know obviously I've had

4032
02:34:09,889 --> 02:34:07,500
conversations with Roni vinay from

4033
02:34:11,570 --> 02:34:09,899
Brazil and recently James Fox and so I

4034
02:34:13,849 --> 02:34:11,580
realized the importance of AJ's work

4035
02:34:16,070 --> 02:34:13,859
quite some time ago and you know like

4036
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,080
you say it's always really difficult to

4037
02:34:20,090 --> 02:34:18,720
miss uh researchers who are still in

4038
02:34:22,130 --> 02:34:20,100
their Prime when it comes to the work

4039
02:34:23,929 --> 02:34:22,140
that they're doing they'll be sorely

4040
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:23,939
sorely missed as people and as

4041
02:34:29,210 --> 02:34:25,439
researchers

4042
02:34:30,590 --> 02:34:29,220
absolutely absolutely rest in peace to

4043
02:34:33,050 --> 02:34:30,600
both of them and I know there were

4044
02:34:35,450 --> 02:34:33,060
others too this past year who I might

4045
02:34:37,010 --> 02:34:35,460
have forgotten so um yeah shout them out

4046
02:34:38,450 --> 02:34:37,020
in the chat guys if I'm missing anyone

4047
02:34:39,950 --> 02:34:38,460
please

4048
02:34:42,590 --> 02:34:39,960
um these are the people who pave the way

4049
02:34:44,510 --> 02:34:42,600
for people like us excuse me I'm getting

4050
02:34:47,090 --> 02:34:44,520
emotional um who paved the way for

4051
02:34:50,090 --> 02:34:47,100
people like us so definitely thank you

4052
02:34:51,950 --> 02:34:50,100
to both of them um and thank you also I

4053
02:34:55,370 --> 02:34:51,960
have to shout this guy out this is

4054
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:55,380
Alexander agnarson and um he has a

4055
02:35:01,130 --> 02:34:58,560
amazing website called UFO timeline.com

4056
02:35:02,990 --> 02:35:01,140
and it's actually where I went for a lot

4057
02:35:05,150 --> 02:35:03,000
of our stories tonight

4058
02:35:07,370 --> 02:35:05,160
um so please go check it out he's got an

4059
02:35:08,690 --> 02:35:07,380
extensive just a timeline of all the

4060
02:35:09,469 --> 02:35:08,700
news stories that came out this past

4061
02:35:12,590 --> 02:35:09,479
year

4062
02:35:14,030 --> 02:35:12,600
boom there you go if you want to um see

4063
02:35:15,770 --> 02:35:14,040
what we might have missed go to the

4064
02:35:17,450 --> 02:35:15,780
website check it out

4065
02:35:19,010 --> 02:35:17,460
um so yeah thank you thank you to

4066
02:35:20,090 --> 02:35:19,020
Alexander for bringing this to our

4067
02:35:23,690 --> 02:35:20,100
attention

4068
02:35:26,389 --> 02:35:23,700
um highly suggest people check that out

4069
02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:26,399
um last question for you Vinnie before

4070
02:35:30,530 --> 02:35:28,800
we wrap things up here what are you

4071
02:35:32,090 --> 02:35:30,540
looking forward to we just looked back

4072
02:35:33,770 --> 02:35:32,100
at some incredible stuff that has

4073
02:35:36,349 --> 02:35:33,780
happened this past year with this topic

4074
02:35:38,450 --> 02:35:36,359
but as we know we are moving into

4075
02:35:41,630 --> 02:35:38,460
uncertain times in the world on certain

4076
02:35:42,650 --> 02:35:41,640
times with this topic and a lot is on

4077
02:35:44,290 --> 02:35:42,660
the horizon

4078
02:35:46,849 --> 02:35:44,300
um we still don't have the UAP report

4079
02:35:48,590 --> 02:35:46,859
which is crazy maybe we'll get it before

4080
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:48,600
the end of the year I don't know but

4081
02:35:54,110 --> 02:35:51,359
what are you looking forward to most in

4082
02:35:55,130 --> 02:35:54,120
2023 as we move forward with the UFO

4083
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:55,140
topic

4084
02:35:58,250 --> 02:35:56,880
I think for me personally it is a

4085
02:36:00,710 --> 02:35:58,260
mixture of what's been happening for the

4086
02:36:02,990 --> 02:36:00,720
last for the last year it's me for me

4087
02:36:04,730 --> 02:36:03,000
personally it's speaking to people I'm

4088
02:36:07,130 --> 02:36:04,740
lucky enough to speak to through my show

4089
02:36:09,349 --> 02:36:07,140
but also watching other shows like

4090
02:36:11,210 --> 02:36:09,359
yourself Andy and everyone else so we

4091
02:36:12,650 --> 02:36:11,220
get that information and we we bring it

4092
02:36:15,050 --> 02:36:12,660
all together through interviews and

4093
02:36:17,870 --> 02:36:15,060
conversations that we have online also

4094
02:36:19,010 --> 02:36:17,880
the ndaa is looking mighty fine right

4095
02:36:20,750 --> 02:36:19,020
now it's passed through the house

4096
02:36:22,010 --> 02:36:20,760
Representatives

4097
02:36:24,530 --> 02:36:22,020
um I think it's going to be passing

4098
02:36:25,450 --> 02:36:24,540
through the Senate any time now signed

4099
02:36:28,910 --> 02:36:25,460
into law

4100
02:36:31,130 --> 02:36:28,920
possibly pre-Christmas if not pre-new

4101
02:36:34,130 --> 02:36:31,140
year that'll be fantastic then maybe

4102
02:36:35,450 --> 02:36:34,140
we'll get these reported sometime every

4103
02:36:38,330 --> 02:36:35,460
little piece that I've talked about

4104
02:36:41,389 --> 02:36:38,340
right there is moving the ball forward

4105
02:36:43,070 --> 02:36:41,399
um I'm obviously I'm gonna be shouting

4106
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:43,080
out the work I'm doing I'm going I'm

4107
02:36:48,050 --> 02:36:45,840
back out to Colombia in the new year and

4108
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:48,060
investigating and filming season two of

4109
02:36:51,889 --> 02:36:50,160
phenomenology I've got two conference

4110
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:51,899
appearances next year so everything's

4111
02:36:56,929 --> 02:36:54,000
looking good like the conversation's

4112
02:36:58,730 --> 02:36:56,939
moving forward and I'm just happy to be

4113
02:37:01,730 --> 02:36:58,740
a part of it and I just appreciate being

4114
02:37:03,290 --> 02:37:01,740
here and being able to do what I do and

4115
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:03,300
share my passion and the hard work that

4116
02:37:06,650 --> 02:37:04,560
I put in

4117
02:37:09,050 --> 02:37:06,660
absolutely man and we should mention

4118
02:37:11,330 --> 02:37:09,060
here you mentioned conferences Roswell

4119
02:37:12,770 --> 02:37:11,340
UFO Symposium Ryan and Vinnie your names

4120
02:37:16,130 --> 02:37:12,780
are going to be in the Roswell Daily

4121
02:37:19,610 --> 02:37:16,140
Record tomorrow wow what an honor wow I

4122
02:37:21,290 --> 02:37:19,620
mean that's crazy mom you get those

4123
02:37:24,050 --> 02:37:21,300
magnets ready for the refrigerator

4124
02:37:26,450 --> 02:37:24,060
because I got some news for you but

4125
02:37:28,370 --> 02:37:26,460
you're here listening see Sprague

4126
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:28,380
um that's awesome yes Vinnie and I are

4127
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:30,000
both going to be partaking in a really

4128
02:37:35,990 --> 02:37:32,880
cool event the Roswell Expo uh this year

4129
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,000
being put together by Thomas Reed the

4130
02:37:41,389 --> 02:37:38,880
famous UFO experiencer

4131
02:37:43,130 --> 02:37:41,399
um this is so cool he's he's curated

4132
02:37:46,370 --> 02:37:43,140
probably one of the most ambitious

4133
02:37:48,950 --> 02:37:46,380
conferences I've ever come across and um

4134
02:37:50,270 --> 02:37:48,960
I'm so honored to be a part of it I

4135
02:37:51,889 --> 02:37:50,280
can't wait to see Vinnie what you're

4136
02:37:53,330 --> 02:37:51,899
going to be talking about I'm going to

4137
02:37:57,050 --> 02:37:53,340
be talking about a lot of my my

4138
02:37:58,910 --> 02:37:57,060
television work and how how uh you know

4139
02:38:02,510 --> 02:37:58,920
how you do that how you work on

4140
02:38:05,929 --> 02:38:02,520
television with this topic and um how we

4141
02:38:07,370 --> 02:38:05,939
bite scratch and Claw for credible

4142
02:38:10,010 --> 02:38:07,380
information to get out to the public

4143
02:38:12,410 --> 02:38:10,020
through television and it is hard I'm

4144
02:38:13,150 --> 02:38:12,420
not gonna lie it's a huge struggle

4145
02:38:15,710 --> 02:38:13,160
um

4146
02:38:18,469 --> 02:38:15,720
editors can make or break anything you

4147
02:38:19,550 --> 02:38:18,479
do and um well that's a story for

4148
02:38:21,650 --> 02:38:19,560
another time I'm going to be talking

4149
02:38:23,450 --> 02:38:21,660
about my trials and tribute tribulations

4150
02:38:24,889 --> 02:38:23,460
in the world of Hollywood when it comes

4151
02:38:26,389 --> 02:38:24,899
to this topic

4152
02:38:27,469 --> 02:38:26,399
um but yeah can you tease us a little

4153
02:38:28,790 --> 02:38:27,479
bit about what you might be talking

4154
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:28,800
about at that event

4155
02:38:32,170 --> 02:38:30,720
yeah I mean obviously I've got the the

4156
02:38:34,190 --> 02:38:32,180
the the the ongoing Columbia

4157
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:34,200
investigation I'm going to be discussing

4158
02:38:38,929 --> 02:38:36,960
that I'll bring up the Calvin thing and

4159
02:38:41,330 --> 02:38:38,939
yeah a little bit of things that connect

4160
02:38:43,190 --> 02:38:41,340
the two from historical research to

4161
02:38:44,929 --> 02:38:43,200
modern day boots on the ground research

4162
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:44,939
and the fact that anybody can get

4163
02:38:50,330 --> 02:38:47,280
involved

4164
02:38:52,550 --> 02:38:50,340
yeah absolutely I I that's what I love

4165
02:38:54,830 --> 02:38:52,560
about this topic like the the community

4166
02:38:57,710 --> 02:38:54,840
has grown exponentially since I got into

4167
02:39:00,410 --> 02:38:57,720
it yeah and um that's exciting I just

4168
02:39:02,750 --> 02:39:00,420
met up with um Maureen Ellsbury who a

4169
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:02,760
lot of you may know as one of my former

4170
02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:05,520
colleagues that opened minds and also uh

4171
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:07,439
Rogue Planet another news media website

4172
02:39:11,929 --> 02:39:09,600
that I work with and uh she came to

4173
02:39:14,270 --> 02:39:11,939
Scotland and we just reminisced about

4174
02:39:17,870 --> 02:39:14,280
the old UFO days and how much it's

4175
02:39:20,270 --> 02:39:17,880
changed since she kind of um not moved

4176
02:39:21,889 --> 02:39:20,280
on she's very much let me tell you she's

4177
02:39:24,290 --> 02:39:21,899
very much still involved in this topic

4178
02:39:26,330 --> 02:39:24,300
just kind of from the periphery and uh

4179
02:39:29,210 --> 02:39:26,340
she's just uh astounded at how much it's

4180
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:29,220
grown since 2017.

4181
02:39:33,170 --> 02:39:31,200
um whether that's good or bad is yet to

4182
02:39:35,870 --> 02:39:33,180
be seen but um I never would have met

4183
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:35,880
people like you and Andy without that so

4184
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:38,399
uh it's awesome I I think it's it's

4185
02:39:41,570 --> 02:39:39,600
incredible

4186
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:41,580
um paranormal pixie thank you for the

4187
02:39:44,990 --> 02:39:43,200
Super Chat just to say again fantastic

4188
02:39:46,969 --> 02:39:45,000
work guys blessings to you this season

4189
02:39:50,830 --> 02:39:46,979
thank you Laura we truly truly

4190
02:39:55,730 --> 02:39:53,030
uh Last Chance guys if you want to

4191
02:39:57,410 --> 02:39:55,740
donate to is an amazing organization the

4192
02:39:59,330 --> 02:39:57,420
women's Refugee commission do a super

4193
02:40:01,610 --> 02:39:59,340
chat super sticker right now as we wrap

4194
02:40:02,809 --> 02:40:01,620
things up really really do appreciate

4195
02:40:05,690 --> 02:40:02,819
that

4196
02:40:07,309 --> 02:40:05,700
um but before we go Vinnie let me make

4197
02:40:08,750 --> 02:40:07,319
sure I got everything here before I say

4198
02:40:10,730 --> 02:40:08,760
good night to you

4199
02:40:12,410 --> 02:40:10,740
last question as always my man I've got

4200
02:40:14,330 --> 02:40:12,420
disclosure team right there but where

4201
02:40:15,050 --> 02:40:14,340
can everyone find everything you're up

4202
02:40:19,010 --> 02:40:15,060
to

4203
02:40:21,889 --> 02:40:19,020
Instagram account which is disclosure

4204
02:40:23,570 --> 02:40:21,899
underscore team and there you'll find my

4205
02:40:25,370 --> 02:40:23,580
bio with all my links and everything

4206
02:40:28,849 --> 02:40:25,380
there that's kind of my prominent social

4207
02:40:31,490 --> 02:40:28,859
media presence but I'm always always on

4208
02:40:34,070 --> 02:40:31,500
all social media chatting away and I

4209
02:40:36,530 --> 02:40:34,080
love hearing from people and chatting

4210
02:40:38,150 --> 02:40:36,540
and doing lives and also you can find my

4211
02:40:40,130 --> 02:40:38,160
YouTube there there's just so many

4212
02:40:43,070 --> 02:40:40,140
places but you'll find me I'm sure

4213
02:40:45,170 --> 02:40:43,080
you're everywhere yeah yeah you're

4214
02:40:46,670 --> 02:40:45,180
everywhere man it's been it's amazing I

4215
02:40:48,170 --> 02:40:46,680
love everything you're doing well hey

4216
02:40:49,730 --> 02:40:48,180
thank you I'm gonna let you go I'm going

4217
02:40:52,010 --> 02:40:49,740
to debrief with the audience a little

4218
02:40:54,170 --> 02:40:52,020
bit and do a little touchy Christmas

4219
02:40:56,210 --> 02:40:54,180
message to them all but I want to thank

4220
02:40:58,969 --> 02:40:56,220
you for sticking around for almost three

4221
02:41:00,950 --> 02:40:58,979
hours man what a marathon

4222
02:41:02,270 --> 02:41:00,960
it was an absolute pleasure to finally

4223
02:41:04,130 --> 02:41:02,280
have you on I couldn't think of a better

4224
02:41:06,530 --> 02:41:04,140
way to finally introduce you to my

4225
02:41:08,030 --> 02:41:06,540
audience and uh I know we've got a lot

4226
02:41:10,490 --> 02:41:08,040
more of this to come in the future in

4227
02:41:13,010 --> 02:41:10,500
2023 so thank you Vinnie thanks for

4228
02:41:15,290 --> 02:41:13,020
being no thank you so much Ryan uh Happy

4229
02:41:17,210 --> 02:41:15,300
Holidays to you to everyone in your live

4230
02:41:19,309 --> 02:41:17,220
chat and we'll speak soon thank you

4231
02:41:23,450 --> 02:41:19,319
absolutely my man happy holidays we'll

4232
02:41:27,290 --> 02:41:23,460
talk soon take care peace bye

4233
02:41:29,330 --> 02:41:27,300
and then there was one wow guys huge

4234
02:41:31,130 --> 02:41:29,340
huge thank you to Chrissy Newton Andy

4235
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:31,140
mcgrlin Vinnie Adams for being here

4236
02:41:34,670 --> 02:41:32,640
tonight and going through all of this

4237
02:41:38,150 --> 02:41:34,680
they did so much homework for this

4238
02:41:40,309 --> 02:41:38,160
episode uh without me even prompting

4239
02:41:41,809 --> 02:41:40,319
that so I really have to thank them for

4240
02:41:42,969 --> 02:41:41,819
the time and dedication they gave to

4241
02:41:46,730 --> 02:41:42,979
this

4242
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:46,740
2022 wrap up episode here and uh I want

4243
02:41:50,929 --> 02:41:49,200
to thank you guys for an incredible year

4244
02:41:54,770 --> 02:41:50,939
of somewhere in the skies

4245
02:41:56,990 --> 02:41:54,780
the show has grown far beyond anything I

4246
02:42:00,889 --> 02:41:57,000
ever anticipated

4247
02:42:03,170 --> 02:42:00,899
um and I honestly am speechless that

4248
02:42:05,450 --> 02:42:03,180
people almost 300 episodes later are

4249
02:42:07,969 --> 02:42:05,460
still listening still watching our

4250
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:07,979
YouTube numbers are growing

4251
02:42:12,110 --> 02:42:10,319
um and the podcast just continues to

4252
02:42:15,110 --> 02:42:12,120
grow as well so

4253
02:42:16,610 --> 02:42:15,120
clearly I'm doing things you like but

4254
02:42:18,469 --> 02:42:16,620
please reach out to me if there are

4255
02:42:20,510 --> 02:42:18,479
things you don't like I always love

4256
02:42:23,630 --> 02:42:20,520
feedback and how I can make the show

4257
02:42:25,370 --> 02:42:23,640
better so um thank you thank you for

4258
02:42:26,990 --> 02:42:25,380
sticking with us through a tumultuous

4259
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:27,000
year of UFOs

4260
02:42:32,750 --> 02:42:30,720
crazy year in the world in general and

4261
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,760
um hey if anything this is the one topic

4262
02:42:36,830 --> 02:42:34,800
that brings us all together and I've

4263
02:42:39,230 --> 02:42:36,840
always really appreciated that about

4264
02:42:40,190 --> 02:42:39,240
this topic and I have you guys to thank

4265
02:42:42,410 --> 02:42:40,200
for that

4266
02:42:45,410 --> 02:42:42,420
um your support truly truly means the

4267
02:42:47,809 --> 02:42:45,420
world to me and to um a lot of us out

4268
02:42:51,170 --> 02:42:47,819
there who continue to do this research

4269
02:42:53,330 --> 02:42:51,180
and um I'll bet maybe

4270
02:42:56,090 --> 02:42:53,340
um it takes up a little too much time in

4271
02:42:57,950 --> 02:42:56,100
some of our lives uh but hey we wouldn't

4272
02:42:58,910 --> 02:42:57,960
be doing it if we didn't love it and if

4273
02:43:01,250 --> 02:42:58,920
you're going to keep listening and

4274
02:43:03,290 --> 02:43:01,260
watching we're going to keep doing it so

4275
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:03,300
thank you thank you for an amazing year

4276
02:43:08,690 --> 02:43:05,760
at somewhere in the skies uh thank you

4277
02:43:11,570 --> 02:43:08,700
to everyone everyone who has ever

4278
02:43:13,309 --> 02:43:11,580
brought any of these stories forward and

4279
02:43:15,110 --> 02:43:13,319
um yeah we truly have you to thank for

4280
02:43:16,969 --> 02:43:15,120
giving us content to talk about every

4281
02:43:20,270 --> 02:43:16,979
week on our podcasts and YouTube

4282
02:43:22,130 --> 02:43:20,280
channels so thank you to all of you

4283
02:43:25,730 --> 02:43:22,140
um and I think that's about it please

4284
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:25,740
like please share Please Subscribe very

4285
02:43:29,929 --> 02:43:28,319
much appreciated I did drop a new

4286
02:43:32,990 --> 02:43:29,939
episode today of somewhere in the sky's

4287
02:43:34,490 --> 02:43:33,000
podcast my Christmas episode uh where I

4288
02:43:37,849 --> 02:43:34,500
covered cases that have all happened

4289
02:43:39,650 --> 02:43:37,859
around Christmas time and um we got some

4290
02:43:42,410 --> 02:43:39,660
bangers in there we've got the Belgian

4291
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:42,420
UFO wave we've got the herb uh Shermer

4292
02:43:48,889 --> 02:43:46,080
close encounter case uh what else was in

4293
02:43:51,230 --> 02:43:48,899
that episode we've got a a doomsday cult

4294
02:43:53,270 --> 02:43:51,240
that's saying Christmas carols to aliens

4295
02:43:55,250 --> 02:43:53,280
on Christmas

4296
02:43:59,270 --> 02:43:55,260
um thinking the world was gonna end

4297
02:44:02,030 --> 02:43:59,280
uh it did not uh however

4298
02:44:03,469 --> 02:44:02,040
um some awesome cases I came across so

4299
02:44:05,870 --> 02:44:03,479
please go check that out in the archives

4300
02:44:08,809 --> 02:44:05,880
right now summertheysguys.com or

4301
02:44:10,309 --> 02:44:08,819
wherever you get your podcasts and I

4302
02:44:13,550 --> 02:44:10,319
think that's about it I want to wish all

4303
02:44:16,370 --> 02:44:13,560
of you a very happy holiday season a

4304
02:44:18,349 --> 02:44:16,380
happy New Year so much to come for

4305
02:44:20,450 --> 02:44:18,359
somewhere in this guys in the coming

4306
02:44:21,710 --> 02:44:20,460
year I can't wait to share that with you

4307
02:44:23,870 --> 02:44:21,720
soon

4308
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:23,880
um so with that I'm gonna say good night

4309
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:26,160
thank you again to Andy to Chrissy and

4310
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:27,840
Divini for joining me and thank you to

4311
02:44:32,990 --> 02:44:31,200
all of you and as I always say guys and

4312
02:44:35,090 --> 02:44:33,000
it means more now than ever keep your

4313
02:44:37,550 --> 02:44:35,100
feet on the ground but never stop

4314
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:37,560
searching somewhere in the skies Happy

4315
02:44:45,910 --> 02:44:38,240
New Year

4316
02:44:49,570 --> 02:44:45,920
[Music]

4317
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thank you